Magnetic Lashes No Liner

... they’re so light so it’s no real biggy but I feel... lashes? Has anybody tried the Clure lashes or magnetic ones with the eye liner...

Edit 2: You guys are so sweet and nice to me!!! I feel so supported and loved, you guys are the best 😭 Edit: Okay, I am hearing the people who want me to test my makeup against a white shirt and the crowd really wants blush lol. I will be back in a couple of days with a white shirt and some other requested changes with 3 as the jump point!!! My wedding is in two weeks and I need to figure out how to do my eye makeup! Wing or no wing???? Warm or cool???? So many decisions! Please weigh in but don't tell me to use blush lol, I won't do it. I will be doing more dramatic strip lashes for the wedding day, but these magnetic lashes were super easy to pop on and off for these trial looks. Also I know my foundation is la little bit off, I'll get my proportions better on the day of! Elf power grip primer Elf halo glow liquid foundation in fair mixed with Loreal true match in N5 Maybelline instant eraser concealer in idk, sorry Maybelline blurfection powder Kat von D liquid bronzer in fair cool Milani powder bronzer in sun kissed 02 Becca highlighter in champagne pop Anastasia brow pomade in taupe Thank me later eye shadow primer Nyx epic ink eye liner Urban Decay 24/7 waterline in beige flag Morphe 25B eyeshadow palette Lorac mega 3 pro palette Clinique high impact mascara Lashview magnetic lashes Kaja liquid lipstick in love swipe for looks 1 and 2 Nudestix gel color in pulse for look 3 D'alba facial mist in no. 3 only because I forgot for looks 1 and 2 haha Mac eyeshadow in major win for look 3 I plan on using urban decay's and Maybelline's setting sprays on the day of! submitted by /u/Cmonees to r/MakeupAddiction [link] [comments]

I used what I already had, so don’t judge the quality, I just want to know if I’m moving the right direction Changed from black eyeliner to brown (until I added lashes because the magnetic liner is black) Lighter foundation Tried a peach concealer but it is cakey and I think made me look worse Tried under eye concealer but I didn’t sleep so there might be no fixing that lol The closest lip color I had to a mauve Some freckles that need some work lol In the last pic I added some lashes that I trimmed And my first attempt at contouring submitted by /u/ThatGuyInASkirt91124 to r/makeuptips [link] [comments]

Channeling my inner Peg Bundy today; I am even wearing leopard print leggings and hoop earrings for a virtual work meeting. Business up top, party down below. 🤣 The beat goes on!💋💋💋 Foundations: L’Oréal True Match Nude Hyaluronic Tinted Serum in shade 4.5-5 MIXED with e.l.f. Halo Glow Liquid Filter. The e.l.f. casts a warmer glow when mixed, and appears more neutral when used UNDER the 4.5-5 serum.🤔 Contour: e.l.f. Powder Contour Palette (both shades, on the right). Concealer: Maybelline Instant Age Rewind Eraser in shade 160 (light pink) and I tapped a tiny bit of foundation over it to blend with my skin tone. Powder: e.l.f. Halo Setting Pressed Powder in “Medium” in t-zone. Blush: bayfree Multi Glow Balm in “Pink Camellia” (Amazon). Eyeshadow: NYX Ultimate Warm Neutrals in a medium taupe (2nd row down, 1st on left) AND Pink Camellia blush draped at outer edge of eyes. Liner: (Amazon) Meicoly powder in Black. It’s also my brow color. Still a little dark, 🥸 but I’m working with it and for $5 (including a mirror) I am not at all mad at it. Mascara: essence | Lash Princess Curl & Volume Mascara (😒 my lashes were straight by the time I applied Kiss “Bare Affair” strip lashes). Lips: e.l.f. No Budge Shadow Stick in shade “Magnetic Pull” as a cool-toned base under NYX Lingerie Lipstick in “Teddy”. I love Teddy but it is sometimes too warm; I did NOT like the No Budge Shadow Stick on my eyes—so very DRY—but repurposed it for my lips. With a little lip balm underneath, I say YES 👍🏼 Not drugstore, is Artistry gloss in “Pink Nude” submitted by /u/480Otis to r/drugstoreMUA [link] [comments]

I gave in to a Instagram advertisement for Solare Lashes because they were the most affordable and advertised 2 elongated magnets on each layer to ensure a proper fit. I was very disappointed to find once I received my order that the magnetics are very short leaving a huge gap in between from side to side and not matching position for 2 out of 3 pairs I ordered. You can see a clear difference in size and quality from the advertised photos to what I actually received. I contacted customer service because they have a 30 day trial and money back guarantee but received gaslighting push back that I received what I ordered and that they believe it’s a skill issue. I have since sent a reply with the same picture and screenshots I have submitted here. Hopefully they will make this right. submitted by /u/NetEquivalent9081 to r/Lashes_Questions [link] [comments]

Looking for the best brand of magnetic lashes that use the magnetic applicator. Need something quick and easy so I don’t want to use the magnetic eye liner. Has anyone tried Lumentes? There’s so many brands so I’m not sure which to pick. submitted by /u/honeybunchesofoats1 to r/MakeupAddiction [link] [comments]

Ah, the Ultimate universe. The coward's reboot that ended up becoming a masterpiece, which in turn became one of the least popular comic book events of all time (which is saying something). This story has it all: incest (which is totally fine nowadays, haven't you heard?), cannibalism, genocide (omnicide?), a massive god complex, and the mother of all stupid retcons. A debacle that would make Season 8 of Game of Thrones look like a well planned masterpiece. More succinctly, it's Marvel comics punching themselves in the dick for several months, then wondering why they're in agony. (Quick side note: the name for these comics has changed around a few times, from Ultimate Marvel to Ultimate Comics to Ultimate Universe. I'm just using them interchangeably). Fair warning: This is one of the biggest and most ambitious writeups I've tried to do, summing up several interconnected comics as well as fan reaction and behind the scenes details, so it runs a bit long. Also, CW for brief mentions of domestic abuse and rape. In case you don't want to read the whole thing, I've added a TL;DR at the end of each section. What is the Ultimate Universe In 2000, Marvel comics was struggling. They'd declared bankruptcy, and had been forced to sell off the movie rights to their biggest heroes: Spider-man, the X-Men, and the Fantastic Four (that decision would definitely never come back to bite them in the ass). The bankruptcy was (in part) caused by the longest running issue in comics: continuity. It's hard to get new readers when they have to catch up on 60+ years of material. So, what's the solution? Bring in a lawyer who'd never worked in the comic book industry before. Which somehow, in defiance of all logic worked. Bill Jemas came up with the obvious solution no one else could: Just make the characters simple. Nobody is reading Captain America to learn about how his mom was part of a Hydra Sunday school (real thing), they're looking for a guy in red, white, and blue who kicks asses and definitely fucks. This was Marvel's hail mary attempt. One of the writers for Ultimate Marvel later admitted that "when I got hired, I literally thought I was going to be writing one of the last — if not the last — Marvel comics". Holy shit, that actually worked. There's a lot more history to go into (which may be the source for another HobbyDrama post later), but the long and short of it is that Ultimate Marvel was a success on almost every imaginable level. It was well reviewed by critics, broke sales records, and was almost universally beloved by fans, bringing in legions of new Marvel readers. A large part of this was the writing, with some of Marvel's best writing teams in decades. This writing also saw a shift in the classic tone, with some of the writers behind the Ultimates (basically just the Avengers) explaining that they wrote it like they'd write an Avengers movie, rather than a traditional comic storyline. Not only did that make it more popular and easy to read, it had long lasting effects. If you've ever watched an MCU movie, odds are that a good chunk of the content -- from costumes, to characters, to plotlines -- was taken from an Ultimate comic. Fun side note: this is actually how Samuel L Jackson became Nick Fury. Fury had been a white guy for decades, but in Ultimate comics, was rewritten to be a Samuel L Jackson clone (hoping to capitalize on the success of Jackson's rising status as a badass). The problem? Sam Jackson was a huge comics nerd, immediately recognized himself, and had his very big legal team contact Marvel. However, rather than a lawsuit, Jackson was happy to allow it to continue -- provided he be guaranteed the right to play Fury in any movie. Marvel agreed (because they couldn't survive another lawsuit, and who really would make a superhero movie anyways?). Finally, Ultimate Marvel was popular because of the worldbuilding it did. It managed to blend real world politics and superhero fantasy in a way that Marvel and DC have furiously tried (and failed) to replicate since. In the aftermath of 9/11, the Hulk rampaging through New York suddenly became a whole lot less funny, as did general collateral damage. Issues that fans had pointed out for decades became addressed as part of the actual comics. There was debates about use of superhumans in anti-terrorist operations, as well as a "superhuman arms race" that made characters feel grounded in the real world. The poster child for this was the X-men, which involved heavy themes about minorities, discrimination, and terrorism. It also saw a shift from mutants being a race allegory to being a queer allegory, something that has stuck in both comics and movies. All of these factors combined, along with how hard Marvel advertised them for teens, meant that for a lot of readers, these were their comics. Similar to how Wally West replaced Barry Allen for a generation, the Ultimate Universe was the only one a lot of fans knew. It was hailed as an experiment that had changed superheroes forever, and for some, managed to eclipse the originals. Hell, it even got a trope named after it on TVTropes. Sorry for running a bit long, but I just wanted to emphasize how influential and popular these comics were, so that you get get a picture of what came next. A snake in the garden As Ultimate comics went on, some of its flaws became more evident. First, the inevitable: Ultimate comics had tried to get away from convoluted canon, but after 8 years of material, the cycle had begun again. It wasn't anywhere near as bad as the main Marvel universe, but the bloat was building up, which translated into lower sales. Another big issue was that (shocking) continuing to keep award winning writing is really hard, especially when the original writers aren't writing anymore. New writers tried to mimic what earlier creators had done, without understanding any of the meaning behind it. Earlier comics had complex discussions on the nature of violence, and the role sex played in human relationships. And then trying desperately to mimic that, you had got a bunch of gratuitous porn masquerading as being "mature storytelling", often with some pretty creepy behavior. Comic books are... not exactly known for their realistic depictions of womens bodies, or giving female heroes normal costumes, but Ultimate comics had some exceptionally bad examples. There was also a whole plotline in Ultimates 3 about Tony and Natasha's sex tape getting leaked, which was shown in graphic detail. The writer for Ultimates 3, as well as the mind of Ultimatum was Jeph Loeb, who will be a very important player in all this. Suffice to say, Loeb's takeover of the Ultimates (and later the whole universe) was... not great. He was a pretty well regarded writer, who was brought in to try and recreate the success of Marvel's "mature, semi-grounded" heroes after the original writers left. Unfortunately, he had terrible big picture ideas and somehow even worse execution, leading to stilted (or downright stupid) dialogue. It has the vibe of an edgy fanfic, with boobs and blood shoved in so you know it's a big boy story. There were also some... less than ideal choices? Black Panther, one of Marvel's most iconic black superheroes literally had his voice taken away, and was functionally a slave for a while. Oh, and also, he was Captain America the whole time? It was weird. In fairness to Loeb I wanted to take this section here to make sure that this wasn't just trashing on Loeb. He's had some great moments in the past, and showed an ability to write good things. Not perfect, but good. A lot of the problems with Ultimatum came from the fact that he was genuinely spiralling. His teenage son had died after a gut wrenching three year battle with cancer, leaving Loeb in a very, very bad place, which he never really got out of. Many have speculated that the nihilistic, blood soaked Ultimatum (and many of Loeb's other comics) was him lashing out at the world, destroying things in a plea for help. You have to ask the question, who the hell put him in charge of a massive fictional universe, and how did none of the people he was working with notice? TL;DR: The Ultimate Universe was a "back to basics" version of popular heroes that modernized them. It was immensely successful, both in money and fan response. However, as it started to make less and less money, Marvel had Jeph Loeb step in, whose son's death had put him in a very dark place. Road to Ultimatum I don't have time to list off every single character in the Ultimate Universe (and that'd be way too long), but if you're ever wondering who a specific character is, here's a list. You also don't need to know too much, since most of them are Marvel's well known characters like Thor, Iron Man, etc. It's the end of the world as we know it In 2007, Ultimate Power #8 featured something odd: a banner on the title reading "March On Ultimatum". Fan speculation quickly turned to shock, as next year, new comics dropped featuring a broken tombstone, reading 2000-2008. Fans (correctly) guessed that this meant the Ultimate Universe was coming to an end. The leadup to Ultimatum was... interesting. Part of this was due to terrible communication. One artist stated in an interview that it would be the end of most (if not all) of the Ultimate Universe. Then, another Marvel source claimed that only one of the long running titles (Fantastic Four, X-Men, and Spider-man) would be ending. Loeb himself referred to it as "the end of the first chapter of the Ultimate Universe". Part of the reason for this may have been that everyone was telling the truth. Inside leaks suggested that Marvel actually planned to end the Ultimate Universe, but changed their minds later. Fan reaction was mixed. A big part was just surprised that Marvel would even consider ending the Ultimate Universe. Sure, it had hit a few rough patches, but it was still basically a license to print money. However, a decent section of comic fans weren't too surprised. Marvel and DC did this a lot whenever the continuity bloat got too bad: have a big crossover event, "prune the tree", and kill off some minor characters (and maybe a major one) to simplify things. Some were even optimistic. After all, the Ultimate Universe hadn't had a big failure yet. However, what was to come would be worse than even the most pessimistic people could imagine. To keep the analogy: instead of pruning the tree, they took a chainsaw to the trunk, burned what was left, ripped off a few branches, and yelled at the branches to sprout into new trees. And so it begins Ultimatum had three series leading up to it: Ultimates 3, Ultimate Power, and Ultimate Origins. Ultimate Power isn't super relevant here. All you really need to know is that Dr. Doom is a dick, Nick Fury worked with him, and Nick Fury was thus banished to another dimension. The first comic we're gonna go over is Ultimates 3. You remember that Iron Man sex tape? Yeah, this is that story, and it starts on page one. Also, Black Panther is here, along with Valkyrie! Sure, Panther had never showed up before, and Valkyrie had somehow gone from awkward teen cosplayer to an actual nineteen year old goddess (and started fucking Thor), but hey, the Ultimates were back! Nothing could spoil this! Loeb was a bit awkward, sure, but it wasn't like he'd... I don't know, make the entire event all about incest. Loeb made the entire event all about incest. A few pages in, Captain America talks to Wanda about a less revealing outfit. OK, he's from the 40s, he has different ideas, big whoop. Sure, Quicksilver threatening to kill him over it is a bit odd, but Pietro has always been a bit of a dick. And then the Wasp confirmed that Wanda and Pietro were in love. Very clearly and explicitly stated: not "Brady Bunch" sibling love. This was full "cast of the Brady Bunch" kinda love. And Captain America is treated as weird for being disgusted by it, with Wasp brushing it off as "Silly man from the 40s thinks siblings shouldn't fuck! We've come so far! Dr. King would be proud!" To be clear: These characters had existed for eight years. They'd always been close, but never a hint of anything sexual. Sure, Pietro was overprotective of her, but that had been a staple of his character since way back in the 60s. This reveal came at fans like a semi-truck, with absolutely no buildup, all in the first few pages of the comic. Still, it was salvageable. I mean, it wasn't like the entire Ultimatum series would be related to incest, right? Right? ...Right? I shot the Scarlet Witch, but I didn't shoot the Speedster Wanda and Pietro went on their merrily incestuous way to the ballet, when suddenly, someone fired a bullet at Wanda. Pietro moved her out of the way with superspeed... and then the bullet curved in midair, doing a 180 towards Wanda. Pietro moved closer to catch it... but failed. Wanda was dead. Also, for some reason, the doctor on the scene saw a woman with a gaping hole in her chest, and announced "I'm going to need to perform CPR". Believe it or not, that didn't work. Because that's not how CPR works. I'm not sure if this was Loeb just not understanding medicine, or him just trying to sneak some necrophilia in there along with the incest. Wanda's killing would be the spark for all of Ultimatum, setting off a hunt for who killed her. Shortly afterwards, Magneto and the brotherhood of evil mutants show up to claim her body. When Magneto was asked how he escaped his maximum security cell (something that the X-Men had a massive arc about), his basic response was "Maybe I did escape, or maybe this is all a dream." That's about as much explanation as we ever get. Quicksilver then goes with Magneto to find his sister's killer, despite Magneto's years of abuse (including blowing off Pietro's kneecaps with shotguns). Character development schmaracter schmevelopment Fans were quick to notice within just the first few issues how absolutely different everyone acted. For one, they were all massive dicks. That had been a bit of a thing for a while, but even more so, and without reason. Hawkeye hunted down a fifteen year old Spider-man, tranquilized him, and held a gun to his head. Captain America, one of Spidey's mentors showed up, stopped Hawkeye... then ran off, leaving Peter unconscious and paralyzed in a snowbank. Also, Hawkeye was now a suicidal psychopath, all of Cap's progress learning about the present had disappeared, Tony was deep into alcoholism (although he'd sober up the instant the plot needed it), Pietro forgave Magneto's abuse instantly, Magneto actually gave a shit about Pietro, etc.. It seemed like Loeb really didn't know what to do with the characters, and was just kinda ignoring everything that had been built up, and throwing a few vague ideas into a blender. The plot bombs start coming and they don't stop coming So, speedrunning through Ultimates 3 (because it'd take forever to explain everything) Wolverine shows up, reveals that he banged Magneto's wife, potentially making him Wanda and Pietro's dad. Oh, and also, he knew about the incest, was super cool with it, and described it as "a love only they can understand". Yep. Cap realizes something is severely wrong with Hawkeye. Not his depression, murderous rampages, or the fact that he very loudly says he wants to die. Nope. He said "fuck" in front of a woman. That's what Steve Rogers, hero and PTSD counselor focused on. Magneto committed an ethnic cleansing of the native Savage Land tribes, which, given his history as a Jewish holocaust survivor, and his entire family's death in gas chambers... was a bad look. Mastermind and Pyro try to rape 19 year old Valkyrie while she's unconscious. They'd always been more of comic relief villains, so that was more than a bit out of left field. Hank Pym, the guy who had viciously domestically abused the Wasp was "totally cool now you guys", and helped save her. Also, he had made Ultron, and Ultron was their kid (she asked him how, he told her to shut up, and it was never explained). Also, Wanda had accidentally brought Ultron to life, causing him to become obsessed with her, eventually killing her when he saw she'd never love him. Plot twist! And then he made robot copies of the Ultimates, because of course he did. Ultron explains that he doesn't want to kill Janet because she's "basically my mother". In the single worst fucking one liner ever, Hank Pym then exclaims "I guess that makes me the motherfucker!" as he tears Ultron's head off. That line, more than anything else, sums up Loeb's writing style. In a weird plot twist, it was revealed that Captain America had swapped costumes with the Black Panther, in order to let the real Panther return to Africa without alerting Nick Fury. Nick Fury... who was currently in a different dimension, with no power over SHIELD, and no way to spy on them. Hawkeye tries to shoot Magneto, and Pietro takes a bullet for him. Rather than... y'know, moving him aside. Or moving the bullet, something he could do just hours ago. Janet steps up to defend Hank Pym (again: the man who abused her for 15 years), telling Cap that he's a hero, he's back on the team, and Cap can fuck off. Given how much of Janet's arc had been her leaving Pym behind, and dealing with that trauma... yeah. And then in a double plot twist, it was revealed that it wasn't Ultron all along, it was Doctor Doom all along! Where was the buildup for this you ask? "Fuck you", Loeb answers. Oh, and also, Magneto managed to steal Thor's hammer, because Thor apparently forgot he could call it to him at any time. But that's never gonna come up, right? What's that? More lore dumps you said? Ultimate Origins, releasing around the same time, took a break from that story about Magneto in order to go back to the very beginning of the Ultimate Universe. Loeb introduced it as What Ultimate Origin is going to do is sort of tell us how it all began. ... The Ultimate Universe isn't very old, so this isn't a cosmic story. You're not going to see the birth of a planet. What you'll see is how the superhero community was introduced into the human population. So you'll learn the importance of things like the Super Soldier program, which has been hinted at in Ultimate Spider-Man and Ultimates 1 and 2. Now, Brian is going to connect the dots. Here's the issue: The Ultimate Universe was never meant to be connected. In fact, it was specifically built to be as unconnected as possible. Yes, there were crossovers and tie-ins, but the goal was to keep each hero or team as separate as possible. That way, if Captain America loses popularity, Spider-man isn't affected, and so on. So as you might imagine, the whole "It was all connected!" idea, combined with the fact that all of it was a massive retcon, didn't go super great. Once again, speed running the major plot points: Kingpin's grandad, Nick Fury, and Wolverine were all buddies in WWII, who got kidnapped and forced to take part in super soldier experiments. Nick Fury was injected with a serum that made him the first super soldier, allowing him to kill the scientists there and escape. They managed to keep his blood, which would be used to make Captain America. Wolverine was taken by Weapon X, where they discovered the mutant gene in him and activated it, making him the first mutant. Magneto was the one to free Wolverine from Weapon X, after discovering he was a mutant and killing both his parents. Magneto apparently didn't need his helmet to block Professor X from getting inside his head, he had natural mental blocks. The Watcher was no longer a giant space baby, but a weird stone pillar with an eye. Fury explains that he doesn't blame the very explicitly racist violations of human rights that were committed against him, because "I deserved it" for not serving America hard enough. Whoof. At Nick Fury's orders, Peter Parker's dad had apparently worked with Sue and Johnny Storm's dad, Bruce Banner, and Hank Pym to create the super soldier serum (accidentally making the Hulk). The Hulk then killed Peter's mom and dad in front of him, because even as a baby, Spider-man can't catch a break. The Watcher possessed Sue Storm long enough to say that it was there on Earth to "witness the coming devastation" (gee, I wonder what that could mean). Nick Fury discovered that mutants -- all mutants -- had been a failed lab test. He then killed all scientists involved so that no one would ever know. Mutants had been one of the single biggest plot points in the entire Ultimate Universe, so this reveal was... well, it impacted some things. The Watcher chose Rick Jones as a herald and disappeared It should come as no surprise that none of this fit previously established canon. The worst offender was Magneto, who had talked about his entire family being killed in gas chambers... but apparently lied? Him faking his past as a holocaust survivor is fucked up, for very obvious reasons. Adding on to that, he'd never had mental blocks before, and had specifically had his memories erased for close to a year. Apparently he faked that too? Hell, even Ultimates 3, which was happening at the same time, planned by the same people contradicted this story. Not to mention, there had been a few dozen mentions of Peter's parents surviving until he was 4-5, along with photos, videos, etc. In short, the story went over like shit. There was obviously the racist undertones with Fury, and the whole mess with Magneto, but even without all that, the comic was just... terrible. It smashed a "definitive new canon" into a story that hadn't needed it... then didn't end up actually using half of their big revelations. They tried to connect everything, but really didn't end up doing much. Also, it included this panel, which I can only assume is Magneto having the worst orgasm face ever. Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? After all that setup, after months of comics and tweets and hints, Ultimatum was finally happening. If you think it was long reading through this writeup, imagine how fans felt at the time. They'd been promised great things, and although there were worries (quite a few more after the flop of Ultimates 3 and Origins), there was still some excitement. Loeb kept hyping it up, saying that I think the general feeling editorially, and certainly with Brian and me, who are sort of left to our own devices in this world, that there was a time, and this is not to take anything away from the people who have worked in the Ultimate Universe because they've done some amazing, amazing stuff… but there was a time when some truly shocking things were going on there ... Over time that started to tip towards simply retelling stories that had already been retold. Characters were acting in the same manner that they would in the 616 Universe without the same reasoning except that's the way they were. So we looked at it and had a couple meetings and pitched this idea to the group at the last summit which was I think fairly revolutionary. We didn't think anyone was going to go for it. But they really liked it and it really spoke to what the Ultimate Universe could be and should be in terms of being a place people are reading and going "What the F are they doing? Holy… holy… had to bleep that out… I have to read the next issue! This is bizarre and exciting and adventuresome and character driven!" (You can read the full interview here) So not only praising what he was doing, but taking shots at other (generally beloved) Ultimates writers. His description of how the story would go was everything that people hated about the Ultimates: Shock value for the sake of shock value, and poorly written to boot. TL;DR: Loeb's initial forays into the Ultimate Universe weren't received well. He tried to have a lot of big plot reveals and retcons, which he'd done little to no work actually setting up, much of which contradicted previously established canon. The important plot points to know are that Magneto's kids died, causing him to go a bit crazy, and that mutants were made in a lab by humans. Finally: Ultimatum 99 Mutant Balloons Ultimatum starts with a normal, peaceful day. Reed Richards is about to propose to Sue Storm; the Ultimates are still pretending like having a domestic abuser on the team is super chill; Peter Parker is on a date; and a handful of the X-men are having a fun day on the town. And then everyone died. ...no, really. A massive flood and lightning storm hit the city, flooding it instantly. This isn't a "streets are flooded" situation, it's "six story buildings are completely underwater". It wasn't just New York: Latveria (and most of Eastern Europe) froze solid, killing everyone besides Dr. Doom, while volcanoes began to form and erupt in South America. Sue Storm managed to push back the wave with her powers... but fell into a coma doing so. A number of characters died immediately, like Dazzler, Nightcrawler, Beast, and Franklin Storm, while many others were missing. Professor X felt a great disturbance in the force, and almost had a psychically induced seizure. He then telepathically announced to the heroes that Magneto was behind everything, and that they needed to band together to fight him -- or everyone on Earth would die. The first issue ended with a warning in all bold reading "NEXT: IT GETS WORSE". Ironically, that was very true... just not how Loeb would have hoped. It gets much, much worse Cap was caught in the wave, and is stuck in a coma. Thor finds Valkyrie dead, and travels to Valhalla (but Valhalla is also Hel? Don't worry about continuity, Loeb sure didn't) to try and save her from what I can only presume is the goddess of Dominatrixes. There, he finds Captain America, and the two fight some zombies for a bit. Meanwhile, Hank Pym and Hawkeye search for the Wasp, and in one of the most infamous scenes in all of comic book history, they find her. Dead. Being eaten by the Blob. Hank Pym then flies into a rage and bites the Blob's head off. It's then revealed by Doom that Magneto is behind everything, using Thor's hammer to reverse the magnetic poles. Magneto then teleports into the X-Mansion (didn't you know? Magnets let you teleport). After giving an unhinged speech about how he will outdo God, Professor X compares him to Bin Laden, Pol Pot, and Hitler. Apparently, the Hitler comment insulted Magneto's imaginary Jewish heritage, causing him to snap Professor X's neck with his bare hands. Issue three kicked off with Magneto, confirming that the Academy of Tomorrow (the X-men's spinoff in Chicago) were all dead, as were pretty much every significant good-guy mutant (and some of Magneto's own henchmen for some reason), who had been hunted down and killed. The Multiple Man (who could duplicate himself) had been used to create thousands of suicide bombers, destroying nearly every notable world landmark or place of government. That of course included the Triskelion, home base for SHIELD and all surviving heroes. In a dramatic moment, Hank Pym tells Tony to "use the Jocasta files" on Janet's corpse, before heroically dragging every suicide bomber safely into the ocean when he blew up. Again: this is a man who viciously abused (and nearly killed) Jan, who had been an egotistical, selfish douche for years... who Loeb now decided was actually a super nice and honorable guy. Cap and Valkyrie then return from death, with Thor staying behind in Valhalla. Reed Richards and Doom managed to find Nick Fury, who revealed he knew this was likely to happen, and exposed Doom's plan: Doom had planned to get Magneto angry enough to kill most humans, before stepping in and stopping him, ruling over the survivors. Flawless plan. But with those losses behind them, it was time for the heroes to band together and save the world! Right? Oh, also, Spider-man died. Yeah, in a throwaway scene vaguely set up in a separate side comic, Peter Parker, Ultimate Marvel's very first (and best selling) character was killed when Doctor Strange's house exploded. Strange himself then was gruesomely killed by Dormammu, who was stopped by the remaining Fantastic Four. Spider-man's death was barely acknowledged in the comic, which as you can imagine, left more than a few fans pissed. Also, there was a mysterious glowing figure who showed up to get Dr. Strange's body? And due to an editorial mixup, none of the setup for the fight was explained until a comic months later. Still though, things were happening. The surviving heroes banded together, found their motivation, and hunted down Magneto. These warriors were on a righteous crusade, a mission that -- Oh fuck, they're all dead. OK, not everyone. But Angel, a core X-man died almost instantly, in an overly graphic scene where Sabertooth tore him apart. Magneto then managed to kill Wolverine, shredding every single atom from his skeleton to prevent him from ever healing. Once again: breaking all kinds of canon, but Loeb had passed that at this point. Nick Fury then showed up, and revealed the truth to Magneto, from way back in Ultimate Origins: Mutants weren't special, or pre-destined, or anything Magneto had believed. They were just a lab test gone bad. Obviously, this drove Magneto more than a little insane, since it invalidated his entire life, but he survived just long enough to reverse the poles again, preventing further damage. And then Cyclops blew his head into bloody chunks. Yay team. Eight days later The scene then cut to Cyclops standing in front of an angry crowd on the steps of the Capitol. He gave a powerful speech, reminding people that despite Magneto's actions, mutants could still -- holy fuck, someone shot him in the head. Mark off one more X-man I guess. The scene then moved to Dr. Doom brooding in his castle. The Thing walked in, explaining that Reed had told him everything. And while Reed couldn't stomach killing Doom, the Thing could, crushing his head like an overripe apple. Finally, the series ends with a scene of Quicksilver (who's apparently alive I guess? Just go with it). He reveals that he helped plan this entire thing, along with Sabertooth, Mystique, and a mysterious shadowy woman. And also he killed Cyclops for some reason. The last page had the message "Dedicated to Brian, Mark, Bill J, and Joe Q who started it all". Because nothing says "I respect your work" like ignoring eight years of plotlines and development to do your own thing. The series ended with a death toll that can only be described as catastrophic. Countless civilians dead, untold amounts of vital infrastructure destroyed, and all of their most popular heroes killed off. Side Issues In between each issue, there were some tie-ins from each solo line: Ultimate Spider-man, Ultimate Fantastic Four, and Ultimate X-men. Since these were written by the same people who had been doing them successfully for years, they tended to be a bit higher quality -- although Loeb still made all the big calls. In Ultimate X-Men, Rogue went... well, rogue trying to hunt down Magneto, all while a group of anti-mutant zealots swept through the X-mansion, killing nearly everyone there. The mutant school that they'd been building up, the children that had taken refuge there, the work of eight years of canon -- nearly everyone was killed. Including the (apparently very stoppable) Juggernaut. They then had a... kind of touching tribute to Madrox? It included him reminiscing about his life as his mind starts to fracture, intercut with scenes of the X-men cutting through his duplicates. It ends with Wolverine realizing Madrox genuinely doesn't know what he's been doing wrong -- but kills him anyway, ending the threat. In Ultimate Spider-man, we got to see a bit more of the chaos on the ground in New York. Spider-man and friends jump into action, with even the Hulk stepping in to help. I want to hate these issues, but they were legitimately some of the best I've read. The final issue contained an especially touching tribute, with a broken J Jonah Jameson looking out his window to see Spider-man diving into the water to save someone. As everyone he knew died, Jonah realized that he'd wasted his life attacking an actual hero. However, fans were more than a little pissed off at the inclusion of Daredevil's corpse. How did he die? We don't know. The fan favorite character was just found in a pile of bodies, killed offscreen. As you can imagine, people weren't thrilled. Finally, Ultimate Fantastic Four. This was... one of the more out there side stories, but you remember how Sue Storm was in a coma? Well, it wasn't just any coma, it was a superpower coma, and they had to hunt down a specialist to help her, getting a hand from Sue's mom (who is definitely a good guy and no longer working for Doom). Also, the only doctor who could save Sue was a pedophile obsessed with her. Yeaaah. I'm gonna skip most of this, but the TL;DR is that Sue was brought back, with no help from her boyfriend Reed, who ran off to do his own thing. TL;DR: Ultimatum was poorly done. Little connection or organization between issues, bad writing, and 90% of it just being extremely graphic or sudden things thrown in for shock value. Magneto reversed the poles, tons of people died, most major heroes died, Magneto was killed. The Reaction Ultimatum was, on nearly every conceivable level, a failure. In order, the review site Comic Book Aggregator has the five issues scored by critics out of 10 at 6.3, 4.8, 3.7, 2.2, and 2.8, with fan reviews being even lower (4.9, 3.8, 3.2, 3.3, 1.7). The IGN review for the series ended with the reviewer bluntly stating that "Ultimatum is one of the worst comics I have ever read", calling it the "Ultimate nightmare" In a fandom where people can find an excuse to argue about any topic, if you bring up Ultimatum, it's enough to pull everyone together in hate. The writing, as you may have guessed, was abysmal. It reads like a toddler smashing action figures together, while his older brother looms overhead and delivers edgier and edgier narration of what's happening. Things like the Wasp being cannibalized were thrown in out of nowhere, purely for shock value. Loeb seemed to confuse "You feel sad when I kill all your favorite characters" with the ability to create genuine emotion. There were also some truly terrible lines of dialogue, such as: If you’re God, then God is dead! You think you can rape my brain? Xavier tried that and failed. Think again you giant Zippo -- the freakin' cavalry is here! Blob: (after eating the Wasp) Hey man, it was nothing personal. Hank Pym: (Bites off head) It was only personal. Sabretooth: (as he eats Angel) Murdered an angel. Guess that means I'm going to Hell for sure. Hawkeye: (Shoots Sabretooth) That's gonna leave a mark! The dialogue got so bad that some fans made a running joke out of editing the panels to make them more ridiculous and over the top. This is my personal favorite. People also criticized how interconnected it was. If you wanted any chance at understanding the five issue event, you had to buy around ten other comics, the reading order for which was left extremely unclear at the time. That means that most fans had no clue what was happening, and found out about critical events abruptly, or not at all. The event also screwed over a number of female heroes. Sue Storm was left functionally catatonic for most of it; the Wasp's entire arc of empowerment got cut short by being eaten, then saved by her "one true love" who had horrifically scarred her; in general they were just left without much agency. Sales for the comic started pretty well, with 114,230 copies sold. By the second issue, that had dropped to less than 75,000 copies. It managed to pull back up around 85,000 by the end, but even then, it was estimated that Ultimatum had managed to lose over 20,000 dedicated readers, without bringing any new ones in. Sure, those numbers were decently high, but the issue was, they'd killed the golden goose. Ultimate comics hadn't been selling quite as high, but their sales were still steady. Now, readers were dropping left and right, and they didn't have any series to hook them on. Loeb's strategy was to sacrifice eight years of buildup and character development for a few brief moments of sadness and anger. Ultimatum could shock, horrify, and sicken people, just as planned... but there was no plan for what happened next. According to some insider leaks, Marvel had actually planned to end the Ultimate universe fully, but changed their minds, and wanted it to continue. ​ OK, so apparently Reddit has a 40,000 character limit, which I went well over. The post is continued in the comments here. submitted by /u/EquivalentInflation to r/HobbyDrama [link] [comments]