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RE:Project Prometheus (Original Setting Superhero Quest) (Story-Only)
... metahumans." You see several large men in black suits surrounding a... winter jacket. One of the men has a hand on her ... her hip. Nor do the men in suits. "Miss, if you ... quickly pulls her back. The men go to follow her, but ... with dark skin and short, curly hair. He wears a suit sharp ... mean no disrespect to brave men and women who now hold ... built, no-nonsense man with a haircut you could set a watch ...
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forums.spacebattles.com |
Bitterman |
May 31, 2026 |
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RE:The Pile TM of nascent Stories of Payà.
... myself were my long and curly raven hair and my eloquence and knowledge... running from a bunch of men with clearly bad intentions. Now .... A teenage girl trusting random men is the recipe for a ... and very long and platinum hair in a ponytail. His gray ..." "With glasses?" "Yes" "Long black curly hair?" "Yes" "With old jeans and ..." the nazi with a bad haircut asked as he palmed his ...
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forums.spacebattles.com |
Paya |
May 5, 2026 |
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RE:[Resident Evil] [OC/SI] My Second Life as a Female Mercenary
... with a practical, short haircut, slightly curly hair, and a face defined by...arguably the best among the men, not just muscular and upright... British, with beautiful short blonde hair. The ends near her cheeks...a full beard and thick hair. Like Anka, he was ... woman. She had short, curly black hair that accentuated her mature demeanor...a romantic Frenchman with long, curly blond hair and a handsome face like...
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forums.spacebattles.com |
Evildoers |
Apr 13, 2026 |
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Men’s Curly Haircut
I just moved to the area and have between 3a and 3b hair that is medium length. Looking for salon/barbershop recommendations submitted by /u/LittleRiDog to r/Harrisburg [link] [comments]
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r/Harrisburg |
LittleRiDog |
Jun 19, 2026 |
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Barbers good at cutting curly hair??
Hello! I’m staying in slo over the summer and am very much due for a haircut. I’m a man with curly hair and have definitely had my fair share of not so great haircuts with stylists/barbers who aren’t the greatest at cutting curly hair. I’ve never gotten a cut in slo before so I’m wondering if anyone has any good recommendations for stylists/barbers who do well with men’s curly hair or just take direction very well in general? Let me know! Thank you! submitted by /u/Money-Librarian3330 to r/SLO [link] [comments]
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r/SLO |
Money-Librarian3330 |
Jun 9, 2026 |
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Salon/barber for curly Asian hair?
My husband hasn’t had a real haircut in a few years. He’s got shoulder-length, coarse, curly Asian hair and no idea what to do with it in terms of moisturizing, daily care, etc. He’s not wanting to go short like a typical men’s haircut, so perhaps a salon would be best; he’s open to whatever. Any recs in Manhattan for this in the submitted by
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r/AskNYC |
juniper4774 |
Jun 8, 2026 |
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Men's Curly Hair Barber Recommendations?
Hello, everyone! Sorry about the English; I did not feel confident enough in my German to post in German. Anyways, I just moved to Kiel and will be living in Kiel for the next few months. I also need to get a haircut soon, but I have very curly hair (think David Luiz, the Brazilian footballer). I have not had any luck finding recommendations online for men’s barbers in Kiel who can cut this type of hair. Any recommendations? Thanks! submitted by /u/Soft_General997 to r/kiel [link] [comments]
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r/kiel |
Soft_General997 |
Jun 2, 2026 |
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Best Hairstyles for Men With Thinning Hair.
When your hair starts thinning, the first instinct is usually to hide it. You grow parts longer, keep adjusting angles in mirrors, avoid bright lighting, and spend way too much time trying to “cover” certain spots. But honestly, the right hairstyle can make a much bigger difference than people realise. The goal is not to pretend your hair loss doesn’t exist. The goal is to work with your hair instead of constantly fighting against it. A good haircut can make thinning look cleaner, fuller, and way more intentional. One of the best choices for thinning hair is usually a shorter style. A lot of men try to grow thinning hair longer thinking it will create more coverage, but long weak strands often separate easily and expose the scalp even more. Shorter cuts usually create a cleaner and denser appearance because there’s less contrast between thick and thin areas. The buzz cut is one of the simplest and most underrated options. If your thinning is advanced or diffuse, a buzz cut can actually make everything look more uniform and sharp. Instead of trying to camouflage the thinning, you reduce the visual contrast entirely. And honestly, many people look far better with a confident short cut than with obvious “cover-up” styling. The textured crop is another really strong option if you still have decent density on top. Texture helps break up scalp visibility and creates movement, which can make hair appear thicker. This style works especially well if your thinning is mostly around the temples or crown. A short messy fringe can also help soften a receding hairline without looking forced. The key word here is natural. You don’t want stiff “helmet hair” or obvious comb-forward styling that everyone can immediately tell is hiding something. If your crown is thinning, keeping the sides too short while leaving the top very long can sometimes make the contrast look worse. In many cases, a softer fade or balanced length transition works better because it keeps everything looking more proportional. One thing you should probably avoid is the classic comb-over. And not the modern textured version…the dramatic side-swept cover-up where you’re basically trying to stretch five hairs across half your scalp. Most people notice it immediately, and it often creates more anxiety because you’re constantly worried about wind, rain, or lighting exposing everything. Hair texture also matters a lot. Curly or wavy hair usually hides thinning better because natural volume creates more coverage. Straight flat hair tends to expose the scalp more easily, which is why adding texture through styling can help. And, styling products matter too, but the wrong ones can make thinning look worse. Heavy greasy products usually separate strands and expose more scalp. Matte products with light hold often work better because they add texture without making the hair clump together. Volume powders and lightweight texturizing sprays can also help create fullness if used properly. But here’s the important part most people ignore: your hairstyle alone won’t stop progression. If your hair loss is getting worse over time, it’s still important to understand the underlying cause. Stress, genetics, nutritional deficiencies, scalp conditions, and hormonal factors can all play a role. A dermatologist can help you figure out whether you’re dealing with temporary shedding or long-term pattern hair loss. And honestly? Confidence matters more than perfect density. A clean haircut that suits your current hair situation almost always looks better than desperately trying to recreate the peak hairline of your youth. The men who usually look the best with thinning hair are not the ones pretending nothing changed. They’re the ones who adapted early and chose styles that actually work for them instead of against them. submitted by /u/yodathesexymarxist to r/AmIGoingBaldHelp [link] [comments]
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r/AmIGoingBaldHelp |
yodathesexymarxist |
Jun 1, 2026 |
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Men's hair cuts in Cardiff
Recently moved to the area, where have people had good experiences for men's haircuts? I'm looking for a scissor cut. It's not especially long but does have a curly/wavy-ness to it and it's quite thick....so anytime I've attempted to do any kind of quiff the hairs like.....nope. so wear the fringe forward. Thank yoooooou submitted by /u/IISeriousCatII to r/Cardiff [link] [comments]
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r/Cardiff |
IISeriousCatII |
Jun 1, 2026 |
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Good place for a haircut (men's curly hair)
I have hair with a curly/wavy texture and want to get a men's haircut. Does anyone have a stylist suggestion? Thanks! submitted by /u/jazamatazz9 to r/Troy [link] [comments]
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r/Troy |
jazamatazz9 |
May 26, 2026 |
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All because your child is mixed w/curly hair and you don’t know how to manage It is not an excuse to get a perm
First off, before I go into this rant, quick disclaimer this is not about what you think/feel about interracial marriage, and this isn’t an opportunity to go debating in the comments whether it’s “right” or “wrong”. Anyways, I see this happen a lot with mixed kids and I’ll see post from hairstylists showing that their hair is either extremely matted or the kid is going to get a perm, relaxer etc… and everyone’s household is different but sometimes I’ll see parents come online Talk about how hard it is to manage their child’s curly hair, but the same time some of y’all don’t wanna learn. any type of hair is going to take effort to maintain and get a certain look you want, even w/straight hair, cause I hate how people automatically think straight hair= more manageable, is it more manageable or are you just lazy and don’t wanna put the work in? Because truthfully, even straight hair can be difficult to manage sometimes or needs more attention. And sometimes people have different mixes of hair, It can still be straight with different strands being wavy same with curly hair how you can have a mixture of different textures, so everyone’s hair care routine is specialized to them. And yes, it will take time to learn how to do their hair. It’s better than not knowing at all at least learn some basic hairstyles. and I feel like it’s even worse when the parent gives up altogether in their hair just mats up, like really bad, because then it kind of makes you concerned about how their household is. I see this is more common (but not always), in household where the Mom is white and Dad is black. let’s say the mom has straight hair and she’s not familiar with working with curly hair, the Dad also probably isn’t because you know men usually just go and get a haircut so both parents and don’t know how do their daughter’s hair. and I see this more with girls have curly hair then with boys. (now yes there are some guys like they’ll define their curls, but even then, like I said that takes knowledge and knowing what works for you and what doesn’t.) So they resort to getting the perm. but truthfully, as someone who has dyed their hair, permed it all of that, it’s way more effort than if you left your hair in a natural state because you have to make sure it’s moisturized, you have to get treatments done to maintain a health of your hair. It’s definitely in my opinion more of an investment than if you just learned how to do your regular hair. submitted by /u/JustSomeG1rl1 to r/rant [link] [comments]
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r/rant |
JustSomeG1rl1 |
May 26, 2026 |
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What's the best place to get haircut for men in Kalyan West?
So the thing I got curly hair and where i usually go they don't know how cut curly hair either they cut it too short or mess it up so yes suggest me a good place to get haircut cuts in Kalyan West and also i don't want spend 500rs on hair i can max go for 250 so plz keep the budget in my mind before suggesting thanks in advance 😁 submitted by /u/momonozoro to r/kalyan_dombivli [link] [comments]
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r/kalyan_dombivli |
momonozoro |
May 19, 2026 |
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Men’s curly haircut
I am looking for somewhere to get a haircut for my 3B hair. The issue is that all the barbers I’ve been to, only know how to cut fades and when it comes to curls, they have no clue what they are doing. I am trying to find a place here where someone can give me a good scissor cut. Does anyone have any recommendations? submitted by /u/Ok-Lobster-6691 to r/Pretoria [link] [comments]
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r/Pretoria |
Ok-Lobster-6691 |
May 17, 2026 |
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haircut tier list by a girl who has hair dysmorphia
This list is based on personal experience!! rating three things how confident I felt in it female validation male validation S tier:- 1.wolfcut:- - confidence 10/10 - female validation 10/10 -male validation 10/10 remarks :- I used to stare at myself for hours in the mirror after getting this haircut. My pic in this hair got 978 likes (alot for someone who has less than 400 followers on their public account) random haircut I saw on Instagram but it's similar to a butterfly haircut, my hair dresser said (comment if u want a good picture of it) - confidence - 10/10 - female validation- 10/10 male validation 11/10 I literally got asked for my socials in public MULTIPLE times when i had this hair, my friends used to compliment my hair so much it made me feel super confident. Great tier :- red hair :- confidence 10/10 female validation 10/10 male validation:- 8/10 The only reason this isn’t in S tier is because people constantly perceived me the wrong way. I got hit with “playgirl” allegations, accused of entertaining multiple guys for absolutely no reason, and got called characterless/slutshamed just because of how I look😭 People would literally assume I’m “that type of girl” without even knowing me. I’ve even been invited to those 🍃 parties multiple times despite never going to a single party, never drinking, never smoking, and not even having friends who are into that stuff. Good tier :- curly hair (my natural hair) confidence 8/10 female validation 10/10 male validation 6/10 - when i say it is high maintenance trust me IT IS HIGH MAINTENANCE. it would look good on me only once in a blue moon plus it didn't really suit my face shape. Curly hair is literally sooooo gorgeous i hate the fact it doesn't suit my face structure, i might get back to once but right now i don't feel confident in this hair. Mediocre :- Short hair confidence - 8/10 female validation - 8/10 male validation - 4/10 - efficient just not something that flatters my face so probably wouldn't do it again. curly short hair confidence 4/10 female validation 9/10 male validation 2/10 -one thing I realised is women don't love curly hair men they love curly hair in general, gender doesn't matter. I got approached by alot of lesbian girls when I had short curly hair i would be lying if I said i didn't enjoy it. But this hair didn't really make me feel like a main character and on top of that it was high maintenance so probably wouldn't do it again. Step cut :- confidence - mhmmm 7/10 ? idk female validation mhmmmm -ykw i won't rate this cuz this hair didn't bring anything to the table:/ no drama no vibes no nothing it's just good if u wanna get rid of split ends or else idk if it changed anything about my appearance. Horrible :- Bangs confidence:- 0/10 female validation:- 8/10 male validation:- 9/10???? (surprisingly) -surprisingly i got lots of compliments when i had this hair, but tbh i didn't feel very good about this. I had to constantly style it. I tried to get good bangs numerous times and after multiple failed attempts i have decided not to do it again. microbangs confidence:- 0/10 female validation:-0/10 male validation:-0/10 -okay guys hear me out i was going through an intense heartbreak when I got this hair 😭😭😭😭 idk what was wrong w me when. You need EXTREMELY good features to rock ts haircut, and when I say extremely good i mean extremely beautiful eurocentric features typa shi. It's not easy to make this look good would love to hear more from you guys submitted by /u/94shre to r/TeenIndia [link] [comments]
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r/TeenIndia |
94shre |
May 13, 2026 |
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Men’s hair cut recs
Hi! Do you have any recommendations on where to get men’s haircuts in Pasadena? The barber I’m currently going to doesn’t seem to know what to do with wavy/ curly hair. Hoping for a reasonable price too. Thanks!! submitted by /u/nicnickk to r/pasadena [link] [comments]
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r/pasadena |
nicnickk |
May 2, 2026 |
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Haircut recs for men with long curly-ish hair?
I want something like “grungey” I guess, definitely textured and “shaggy” (?). Idk how to describe hair but I have pics of what I want. Not a mullet or anything. Been to Hairrari but didn’t work for me. Thanks! Edit: My hair isn’t super curly, I guess 2C and 3A mix. Again, looking for something more on the grungey/“Hedi boy” (lmao)/masculine but still long and styled side, not Hairrari-type places 😬 submitted by /u/croqmbche to r/Bushwick [link] [comments]
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r/Bushwick |
croqmbche |
Apr 27, 2026 |
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Men’s Scissor cut for curly hair
Looking for recs of peoples experience with men’s haircuts around queens Manhattan and Brooklyn. Looking for a hair stylist who can do men’s haircuts, with a scissor, and can do men’s short curly hair (not coily or tight curls). I’ve found places that do men’s scissor cuts but nothing that specifically caters towards curls. Does anyone have recommendations or personal experiences? submitted by /u/sheerfire96 to r/AskNYC [link] [comments]
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r/AskNYC |
sheerfire96 |
Apr 24, 2026 |
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Men’s curly haircut?
I always thought I had frizzy puffy unstylable hair my whole life. So I just kept it short. Then I had my daughter and she had curly hair, so I thought wait maybe I have curly hair? What if I grew my hair out? What would happen? As an experiment. Turns out I have very thick, dry curly hair that looks great with the proper conditioning and gel and styling! Problem is my regular barber said this is now out of his expertise and suggested I go to someone who specializes in curly hair. Except I don’t know who that would be. Any recommendations? submitted by /u/Rocketbird to r/oakland [link] [comments]
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r/oakland |
Rocketbird |
Mar 26, 2026 |
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How much do you guys (men and women) pay for a haircut where you live?
My post got removed so I decided to post it here instead. Please Mods. Random question. I live in the UK and I only pay £5 just to get my beard shaped up/faded at the barber 😭 I actually cut my own hair myself so I never pay for a full haircut. I used to get skin fades when I was younger, but I don’t really do that anymore lol. Now I’m just trying to maintain my curly hair, so I handle it myself. Just curious, how much do you usually pay for a haircut where you live? submitted by /u/PashtunLawyer to r/MuslimCorner [link] [comments]
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r/MuslimCorner |
PashtunLawyer |
Mar 15, 2026 |
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Men's Hair Salon
I'm looking for the best place in the area to get men's haircut for thick, curly, Caucasian hair. I don't care about fades, and I have never enjoyed a barber shop experience. What are some of my best option in Raleigh, Cary, or Morrisville? I am not looking for Sports Clips, I want someone who knows what they are doing with the scissors. Edit: I have had men cut my hair before, but 99% of the time I am disappointed. submitted by /u/FairLawnBoy to r/raleigh [link] [comments]
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r/raleigh |
FairLawnBoy |
Feb 25, 2026 |
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Men’s haircut in town?
I’ve been looking around for a while for a normal place to get a haircut but it seems like every place that gets recommended has “nails” or “bones” in the name and likely spends most of the day doing fades and using clippers. What’s a place where I can get a normal haircut with just scissors? I have curly hair and clippers fuck it up submitted by /u/Evening-Ad5671 to r/Reno [link] [comments]
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r/Reno |
Evening-Ad5671 |
Feb 14, 2026 |
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Best haircut for my curly hair?
I've always struggled to find a good haircut because, although it may look "good" from the front, I've never liked how it looks from the side. Even though it looks good from the front in the second photo, from the side it looks messy and shapeless, especially at the front (although I'm not combing my hair in the first photos). I kind of like the cuts in the last photos, but I don't know exactly how to ask for them or if they would suit me, because they never look 100% the same or I don't know how to style them completely. Please, any help would be greatly appreciated :) submitted by /u/GullibleIndividual53 to r/malegrooming [link] [comments]
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r/malegrooming |
GullibleIndividual53 |
Jan 11, 2026 |
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I wish there was more hairstyles for curly haired men
istg i look up "curly haircuts for men" and it's all just brocolli perms low taper fade shit like this PLEASE THINK OF SOMETHING ELSEE https://preview.redd.it/irzoepvx9kjd1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=914fffccba74f2ebba01badd2d018b9b68828803 submitted by /u/revolutionation to r/curlyhair [link] [comments]
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r/curlyhair |
revolutionation |
Aug 19, 2024 |
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Major men’s curly hair advice needed
I’ve struggled with styling my hair for the past 7 years. I have somewhere around 4a to 4b, I’ll let one of y’all tell me exactly which one. When I comb out my hair or don’t style it for a while it looks like the second picture but when I comb it out with conditioner and style it, it looks like the first pic. I’ve tried many different styling methods, but most of them ones in the past have been just 1 product and I didn’t really take care of it so it looked bad. But I’ve been using this method for the past year and it’s made my hair look some of the best it ever has. But i know there has to be a way out there to make it look better. My dream hair is what mine looks like in the first picture. I love how the curls corkscrew and go down to right above my eyebrow. But even in that picture you can see there is some curls that are frizzy and don’t look like that. My current hair routine: all the products I use are pictuered below. Every Sunday and Wednesday I shampoo. Then I scrunch and ring conditioner through my hair, then I use a denim brush to comb it out with the conditioner. Then I go through with the denim brush and curl my hair to make it more curly. Then I let the conditioner sit for 3 minutes, then I wash it all out. Next right after I get out of the showe I scrunch the leave in conditioner and comb it out like I did in the shower. And I curl with the comb like I did in the shower again. Then I put on a bonnet and go to bed. When I wake up I soak my hair in the shower, dry it off some, then scrunch in the smoothie. On the days I don’t shampoo and condition, I wear a shower camp and when I wake up I soak and apply the smoothie. I also wear my bonnet every night. Pictures 3-5 is what my hair looks like on an average day with this routine. I also need a good haircut. I rlly like fades but idk what fade will go best with my hair. If yall have any advice on a routine, haircut, or even tell me I’m doing it all wrong please do. submitted by /u/No_Beginning_2247 to r/curlyhair [link] [comments]
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r/curlyhair |
No_Beginning_2247 |
May 14, 2024 |
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r/curlyhair makes it a rule you have to be a certain race to use terms like 'big chop'
I wasn't going to post this originally, but when someone asked me why I hadn't posted it already I decided to finally share this story on my former favorite subreddit: It all started with the typical wavy vs curly hair debate. In the sub, your hair is considered curly if it has any texture to it, including the slightest wave. There is a rule, “no curly gatekeeping.” An OP complained that there is curly gatekeeping on Twitter, as if this was news. Seriously, anywhere but in r/curlyhair it is generally accepted that your hair has to have a certain curl to be curly. if your hair doesn't go into spirals, it's not curly. The wavy community NEEDS to come to terms with that. This post was met by a comment detailing how the subreddit is actually unwelcoming to black women because “when it comes to black women speaking on their own personal movement (the natural hair movement) you guys tend to step in where you’re not needed... to people on the outside, when Black women do what the woman in the tweet did, it can seem like gatekeeping, but i urge you guys to realize that Black women have always been kept out of things that seem basic to you guys... it’s even more exhausting to enter a place that claims to be for everyone with curly/textured hair, but still feel like an outsider when you see people try to downplay (and sometimes ignore) discrimination that you know you and everyone who looks like you faces.” Thus the mods decided to recruit new moderators to address the lack of diversity in the sub, specifically why black women don't post to the sub. My name is no longer on the announcement but my proof is all the mod flairs I used in the past. The mods asked me about my thoughts and pretty much ignored them. The misuse of big chop is mentioned in this comment. Everyone on the sub uses their own definition of big chop, whether it is a long hair to shoulder length hair cut or longer than 3 inches. But in the natural hair community, it means going from relaxing curly hair straight to cutting off all the relaxed hair – you're left with a few inches at most and skipped transitioning into your natural hair texture. I was on board for correcting the sub about this term and educating people about the natural hair movement. So the mods made this post about education. I wrote the parts referencing a book. The post talked about how POC suffer through discrimination because of their hair. Originally, this post talked nothing about you needing to be black in order to use these terms, it's been edited since then. One person talked about having their hair called “white girl curly” “I was talking about it to a friend of mine who happens to be a WoC and she seemed almost angry to hear me talk about it and told me my hair was “white person curly” and then that it “wasn’t even curly.” Not going to lie, I was hurt by this because I was happy to feel confident in my hair again and then was wondering if I should even feel happy about it anymore.” which someone replied that: “However, to say your hair is "white girl curly" to invalidate your curls is borderline racism, and that person seems like an asshole for belittling your happiness.”. There's more arguments, like “accept wavy hair for being wavy, instead of mislabeling your hair type”. And someone tells it how it is: “This talk about inclusion and diversity is like tech companies and elite liberal arts colleges who use their diversity as a selling point to raise their status and appeal. I'm here to look at pictures of hair, not talk about cultural appropriation.”. And this one between a mod and a user “I disagree... the words curly, natural, and chopped are common descriptive words in the English language. They don't belong to any one group. Now, I would not use the particular phrase "natural hair journey" or certain hash tags as they do have very specific connotations. However, I draw the line at basic descriptors. I am very sorry if that seems disrespectful. From my perspective it seems disrespectful to others to claim basic descriptive words.” “This is all just incredibly rude and disrespectful of you and that was a weak non-apology. I hope that you will keep up with the coming posts and come to understand that diversity, inclusion, and minimizing microaggressions/cultural appropriation* is important and change your views.” “Please explain to me exactly what I have said that is rude or disrespectful. I have tried very hard to be sympathetic and respectful and if you could clarify for me what is offending i would be very interested... I am ethnically Irish. For my ethnicity and culture natural curly hair is a well known and admired part of it. Why is it ok to disregard my ethnicity and culture in order to respect your's? Or Jewish curlies, or Greek/Mediterranean curlies, or Arabic curlies? There has to be a better option.” “You weren't disrespectful, she's just a sensitive SJW snowflake” And someone who caught on that this open discussion wasn't very open “I will definately withhold any action or judgement to see what you and the rest of the moderators do. I was under the impression that this was an open discussion. If the decision is already made I am not sure what the point of this thread was... I certainly would not have stated my opinion or opened myself up to backlash had I known the decisions were already made. I hope this feeling I am getting is mistaken and everything turns out well for every one.” Black hair is political “non black people that have “struggled” with frizzy hair or whatever have every right to admire the curly girl movement, but the struggle of black people is on a WHOLE other level: it’s economic and political. white people, regardless of how curly their hair is, have never been economically discriminated against because of their hair. Sure they may have been bullied and that’s valid, but they shouldn’t be the face of the movement. They can sympathize and stand in solidarity, but the mods/posts here being majority non-POC is a huge issue and inaccurate representation of the people. no one is gatekeeping curly hair, any race can have it. but the representation of the movement SHOULD be “gate-kept” in a way. you can’t have majority white people being the face of a natural POC hair movement because they don’t know the struggle. I for one am a POC with wavy hair, I don’t claim it to be curly. I don’t take up space talking about the “struggles of acceptance” I faced or whatever the fuck. I take care of my hair using advice from this sub and other ones. I don’t try to pretend I know what it’s likely to have Afro-textured hair. It’s not my place. I stand in solidarity with the movement, but it’s not mine to lead or dominate. I think the mods/others on this sub who say “black people are gatekeeping curly hair!!” need to see that.” There's more drama there if you want to look for it. And the removeddit is here. Not much there wasn't removed quickly but there is this: “I will probably get a lot of backlash for this comment. I am white and have wavy hair. I personally do not feel a white woman with curly hair shouldn’t be able to call her hair curly. Because that’s what it is. Yes, POC often have different hair types and textures than a white woman, and I have extreme empathy and sadness for the struggles and discrimination they have endured and do endure still. No white woman will ever fully be able to understand those struggles I’m sure. I do however believe that curly hair is a hair type that any race can have. Just because someone’s hair is curlier doesn’t make yours less curly. The natural hair movement is all yours, I get that. But curls are for everyone.” The mods began commenting on people's posts that mentioned big chop in the title. This action was noticed. Then came this post which made respecting cultural terms a rule and included an infograph on whether your haircut is a big chop or not, and at the end it asked if you were a POC. I was now confused, none of the mods told me we were going to moderate race. When I mentioned this was not going to be well received they told me we'll cross that bridge when we get there. I didn't think the last question was necessary. And I was not the only one, like the top comment “Doesn't that seem counterproductive though and unfair? I personally am all for educating, but find something like this to just be general gatekeeping.”. And upon further talking with the mods people began to notice this wasn't about POC, “I think it’s very important that any latinx and nonblack POC know that according to this comment, the mod discussion surrounding inclusion was never for us. Our exclusion is not a consideration at this time.”. You see, the mods made the mistake of saying POC as an abbreviation of black people so when it was pointed out by this comment, the mods scrambled to change everything that mentioned POC to black people and changed the infograph's last question to “Do you have black ancestry?” Even I was confused, and I was a mod that read the mod chat on Slack every day. I wouldn't have made that mistake but it was never made clear to me that the whole diversity conversation was only about black people. “If after years of racism and discrimination that lead to issues of with self worth and self love, someone with 4b hair that’s been relaxed to the point of no return decides to cut off all their hair to make the radical statement that your hair is naturally beautiful without confirming to Eurocentric standards, then is that a big chop or is that a haircut? “That is a hair cut. I mean what would you call it if you never heard of big chop” “Yeah, I'd say I am being excluded because I don't even have the option of using them if I want to... But by enforcing--or even suggesting--these word usage rules, you're grouping people into categories and classes and pitting some people against others. I don't see how this is useful, or productive. John F. Kennedy said that a rising tide lifts all boats. That was more of an economic metaphor but it can apply here. If some people feel excluded it seems to me that the rational and appropriate thing to do is to lift people up, and encourage others to do the same.” “I really truly honestly do not understand why people feel like having to avoid a few simple phrases feels like being "pushed down".” A lot of comments are removed before they are able to be saved since mods monitor things like this closely, but I was able to copy and paste one spicy comment removed for violating the new rule and for using the N word while I was a mod and could see it: "It is not a term "created" by black women. Big chop has been used by women all over the planet to mean chopping off a large amount of hair. Anyone, ANYONE telling another person they can't use 'natural hair' nor 'big chop' is an absolute moron. I do not care what anyone's race is but stating those words are "culturally sensitive" is a crock. Calling a Negro the "n" word is wrong, calling a Caucasian the "c" word is wrong and so forth and so on with the other three human races but saying you had a big chop cause you cut off 12 inches of hair is not wrong no matter your race."Hair journey" is one of the more dumb terms I've heard. To journey one must move from one place to another. Not flat ironing your hair is not a journey. Letting your hair stay curly is not a journey. Doing anything to your hair is not a journey." The removeddit is here. Great removed quotes there like: “This is fucking pathetic. People say whatever you want.” “Being a frequent visitor of this sub for curly hair tips and tricks, as well as a “WOC”, I find this post discouraging. I think that as a society, we should appreciate and celebrate all cultures. That includes using phrases that are derived from their culture! I see it as a form of welcoming and acceptance. “Cultural appropriation” has gone too far in my opinion. In generations to follow, we’re all going to start looking like each other, especially in the melting pot of America. We should celebrate being one culture of humans with curly hair! Keeping some words aside to only be spoken be black women/men is just maintaining the divide. Don’t we want to live as one?” “That’s fair, I’m new, but as a Hispanic it does fee like just another curl community telling their non-black members that they’re just unwanted visitors who need to be careful how they speak” The whole discussion seemed weird since they were asking for feedback this whole time but would shut down anyone who disagreed. They spent a lot of time making rebuttals to people and asking one of the new mods for input for each comment. They claimed their implementation was open to change but everyone who said just remove the part about needing to be black was told no. When I talked about discrimination in latinx communities, the mods said they couldn't fix it and would not give the same shout out they gave black people to latinx, instead pushing that latinx has anti-blackness as well. This has already led to some cringe. Like an OP telling the mods they are African and light-skinned when the mods corrected OP about using big chop. And someone told a different OP after the mods corrected OP: “As a black woman, most of us have no problem with you using that term” Censorship is pretty bad in r/curlyhair, your comment can be removed for telling the mods they are full of it or really just for disagreeing tbh. More stuff about the ongoing curly gatekeeping here: “Friendly reminder that being a curly impostor isn't a thing and curly gatekeeping isn't productive. This post is brought to you by those gatekeepy tik toks” And the removedit is here. So why am I not a mod anymore? At the risk of posting drama I'm involved with, I'll try to keep it short and neutral. I decided to finally voice my concerns, that this was getting a bit racist and that we shouldn't moderate race. At first, they didn't seem to understand why I was against it even though I could use the terms as someone with black ancestry. They then told me that racism was about power and that you can't be racist towards white people. When they asked me to define racism, I showed them the dictionary definition of racism, to which I was told, “You know how many racists show me that everyday?” And then one of the main two mods told me to talk only to her since it was too painful to two of the new mods to hear from me (one of them is inactive, I had forgotten they were a mod). After reciting a bunch of pre-made responses, she repeatedly asked me “why is racism so bad?” and shot down every reason I gave as wrong even when I started linking articles about racism. She said this is no different than not allowing people with straight hair to post on r/curlyhair although my stance was as long as it is on topic it should be fine. When I asked about the black people who said they wanted this, the only direct feedback I was given was from one of the new mod's discord. I didn't actually see any PMs from black people wanting this. And when I said not all black people want this, I was told that I was cherry-picking. In the end I was called a sea lion and removed from the mod team suddenly and unexpectedly. TL;DR r/curlyhair argued about wavy vs curly hair again so the mods made it a rule you have to be a certain race to use certain terms submitted by /u/curlyspirals to r/SubredditDrama [link] [comments]
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