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Collapsed after b12 only switch - suspecting MTHFR / slow and fast COMT. 4.5 years of success on methylated b complex. Seeking advice on genesight testing and iodine deficiency
TL;DR: After a 2020 Covid infection, I developed a severe B-deficiency that I successfully managed for 4.5 years with a methylated B-complex. In late 2024, I naively switched to only a B12 supplement and completely crashed. By Nov 2025, I hit a total physical collapse with DPDR, numb limbs, and adrenaline dumps. 5 weeks back on my full B-complex rebuild, my vision is coming back, the numbness is mostly gone, and I’m finally reconnecting with reality. Don’t skip your cofactors! Hi everyone! (24F) Sorry for the long post but I believe that I am struggling with a pretty severe b vitamin deficiency. I also suspect I’m an undermethylator because I have all the classic symptoms. For some background information, I got very sick with what I believe was Covid at the beginning of 2020. I was sick for about 4-5 weeks. When I came out of the sickness, I instantly became lactose intolerant. I used to have lactose all the time from yogurt, glasses of milk, cheese and cream in my coffee but I could no longer tolerate it. So I ended up cutting out all lactose from my diet. Within 3-4 months after doing that, I began experiencing alarming symptoms! My hands and feet went numb - I would touch my arm and I literally couldn’t feel it. I was also having out of body experiences where I felt completely disconnected from myself (depersonalization/derealization symptoms). I ended up going to the ER because these symptoms were so alarming and they were scaring me. Once I got there, the ER doctor asked me how my diet was. I ate very healthy and nutritious meals but I let him know that I cut out all dairy from my diet. He told me that it wouldn’t cause the symptoms I was experiencing and told me I probably just have anxiety… so I left feeling pretty defeated. During that time my family member told my aunt about my ER visit. I guess my aunt had just went vegan 5 weeks before this and was experiencing the same symptoms that I was but worse! She told me she couldn’t feel her limbs (like me) but also that she felt like she was going blind, especially while driving! So she went to the doctor and she told her it sounded like a b12 deficiency and she bought a fully methylated b complex and within 3 days, she was fine. I decided to take the b complex that she was taking, and within 2-3 days, I was back to myself! It was crazy! So I just assumed that because I was lactose intolerant, I will always need to take a b12 supplement. I was on that supplement for 4.5 years and it worked great for me! Around October 2024 I got off of the b complex and just bought a methylated b12 supplement from Thorne. I didn’t know anything about methylated vitamins or the other b vitamins - I naively thought I just needed a b12 supplement. I still felt good but my energy levels began to decrease. I found it harder to find the motivation to go to the gym and was sleeping a lot more and waking up still feeling tired. I was also dealing with some personal stressors that were separated from this deficiency. Regardless, by July I began experiencing that out of body feeling again. This was accompanied by many other symptoms such as: - brain fog / derealization, depersonalization - Unable to regulate emotions (like normal) - Sensory issues / not feeling touch - Numb hands and numb feet specifically toes and fingers - Short term memory loss - Headache (moderate) - Dizziness - Blurred vision and not being able to gauge distance - Dropping things from hands / not feeling things in hands - Mental health / leading to anxiety and depressive thoughts - Extreme fatigue - Muscle aches - Trouble with balance and coordination - Shortness of breath, especially with exerting force - Seeing floaters and sparkles in air - Tmj on left side / scalloped tongue - Loss of appetite/ acid reflux - Sensitivity to light - Ringing in ears - Trouble regulating body temperature and feeling more cold My family member told me I needed to go to the doctor because they were watching me go in a downward spiral for months. They told me they saw me doing everything I needed to do like working, going to school, cleaning my house but it took every ounce of energy out of me just to do these daily tasks. So at the end of September I made an appointment with my PCP to make sure everything was fine. I was concerned that I had low iron so I brought that up when talking to my PCP about this. They checked my ferritin (which was 72), so I knew that was in range and optimal. All of my other labs looked good so I was pretty confused as to why I felt this way. Then in October 2025, the symptoms I had been experiencing had been getting so much worse! Going into grocery stores with fluorescent lights was making me dizzy, driving became very difficult because there was too much to process for my brain and walking up stairs winded me! All of the symptoms were causing me so much anxiety and I had terrible ruminating thoughts about my health. I felt so disconnected from my body and my loved ones; I would look at myself in the mirror, and not recognize myself. My vision felt like there was a foggy glass around it. I ended up getting sick with a virus at the end of October and the shortness of breath was getting bad so I rushed to the ER and the doctor told me I had gotten pneumonia. I left with 100mg of doxycycline to be taken twice a day for 5 days. Doxycycline destroyed my stomach! I couldn’t keep any food down, just for Kaiser to call me and tell me that they sent my x ray to a lab and it turned out, I didn’t have pneumonia after all! So in November, I thought maybe I do just have anxiety and need to get help for it. Talk therapy and grounding techniques weren’t working, so I decided to find a psychiatrist at Kaiser and she prescribed me sertraline. I had never taken antidepressants before but was willing to try anything to alleviate these symptoms. The sertraline made everything way worse for me! I knew there was an adjustment period so I tried to stick it out but I was basically bed ridden. I was on 25mg for 10 days and then bumped it up to 50mg per my psychiatrists guidance. I was on Reddit one night and came across a post where someone was talking about feeling disconnected from their body but they took a hydroxy b12 because 40% of the population can’t convert the synthetic version of b12. Then I went back in my order history and found the b complex that I had been taking and saw it was fully methylated and that it wasn’t just a b12 but a complex of all the b’s. December: As I had been keeping in close contact with my psychiatrist I told her about the 2020 experience. She immediately jolted forward and told me I need to order a b12, b9 and b6 test from Kaiser. She told me that she believed “There was break in one my enzymes.” So I asked my PCP to order those tests for me. 12/4/25: B12: 831 (range: 200-900) B9: 9.2 B6: 40 (range: 30-125) I was still on sertraline at this time for about 4 weeks, but now I was on 50mg and was getting panic attacks. My psychiatrist told me to begin tapering off of it and that we needed to address the underlying health conditions going on first. She said that yes, people can experience numbness because of anxiety but usually there is a temporary break from it. The fact that I had been numb mentally, emotionally and physically 24/7 since July, concerned her. I did more research and wanted to have a homocysteine and MMA test ordered for me. So I met with my PCP and and read her my long list of symptoms. I also made sure to tell her that I had GERD as a baby and now as an adult, I have very low stomach acid. She told me that all of my b tests were in range so she would not be ordering me any further testing. Furthermore, she told me that I should increase my dose of sertraline because majority of her patients find relief at 150-200mg. She also told me that my mind was just playing tricks on my body and that I was just anxious. I was enraged but decided to take matters into my own hands and got testing done at a private lab, Quest. 12/18/25: MMA: 200 Homocysteine: 8.4 Calcium: 9.3 Folate: 5.8 B12: 663 TSH w/ reflex to t4: 2.19 Iodine serum: 48 Vitamin D: 33 What I gathered from this is that my folate dropped a lot within 13 days as did my b12. My TSH jumped from 1.5 (end of September) to 2.19. Furthermore, my vitamin D was pretty low because the range is 30-100 and I was iodine deficient (range: 52-109). At this time I had developed a newer symptom: My tongue had these deep, inflamed scalloped edges all over it. It had a pale center but a red tip that burned! And it had a crack that was breaking apart down the center of my tongue and it made it painful to eat food. On top of that, I lost my menstrual cycle for 3 months, which has never happened to me before. Recovery: In the beginning of January I began supplementing with that b complex. The dose is 2 tablets but I know when starting a methylation cycle that’s been stalled, I need to go low and slow. On the first day of taking 1 tablet from the b complex I was so thirsty! I couldn’t stop drinking electrolytes and water! But because I also have been diagnosed with PMDD I wanted to make sure all of my needs were being met through supplements and eating nutritious, healthy foods. Currently I’m on a low inflammatory diet, focusing on whole foods and staying away from highly processed foods. I decided to stack my supplements with 4-5 days in between each, so I could monitor my symptoms: - Igennus super B complex (1/3/26) #1 tablet - Partiqlar Magnesium glycinate 240mg (1/7/26) - Thorne Zinc picolante 15mg (1/11/26) - NOW Women’s probiotic 20 billion (1/15/26) - Switched from Claritin to Allegra (1/18/26) - NOW Vitamin D3 Mk-7 (1/20/26) - Nordic Naturals Ultimate Omegas (1/27/26) I am also drinking Dr. Berg’s electrolyte powder / 1 a day with water. I had an IUD replaced at the end of February 2025, and I was informed that IUD’s steal b vitamins, magnesium and zinc within the first year - year and a half while it adjusts to the body. I have always struggled with allergies and that’s why I use an antihistamine. But all of December and January I was struggling with histamine intolerance! I would get flushed and itchy with brain fog after eating healthy foods or showering! I just added the second tablet of the b complex on 2/4/26. It’s been wonderful! Since I have added the second tablet, my histamine issues seem to be going away now and I am feeling more connected to my body. My memory issues have gotten so much better and my hands and feet are no longer numb but they are tingly throughout certain times during the day. I am looking to get a genesight test but Kaiser views them an unnecessary and getting a practitioner to order it for me has been difficult. So my question is, has anyone ordered a genesight test and what was your experience with that? And is there anything else that I should add or be doing to help my body recover from this? I know I’m iodine deficient but I don’t know much about it so any advice would be super helpful! submitted by /u/Talkingskies88 to r/MTHFR [link] [comments]
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Collapsed to Recovering: My Journey Back from a Severe B-Vitamin Deficiency
TL;DR: After a 2020 Covid infection, I developed a severe B-deficiency that I successfully managed for 4.5 years with a methylated B-complex. In late 2024, I naively switched to only a B12 supplement and completely crashed. By Nov 2025, I hit a total physical collapse with DPDR, numb limbs, and adrenaline dumps. 5 weeks back on my full B-complex rebuild, my vision is coming back, the numbness is mostly gone, and I’m finally reconnecting with reality. Don’t skip your cofactors! Hi everyone! (24F) Sorry for the long post but I believe that I am struggling with a pretty severe b vitamin deficiency. For some background information, I got very sick with what I believe was Covid at the beginning of 2020. I was sick for about 4-5 weeks. When I came out of the sickness, I instantly became lactose intolerant. I used to have lactose all the time from yogurt, glasses of milk, cheese and cream in my coffee but I could no longer tolerate it. So I ended up cutting out all lactose from my diet. Within 3-4 months after doing that, I began experiencing alarming symptoms! My hands and feet went numb - I would touch my arm and I literally couldn’t feel it. I was also having out of body experiences where I felt completely disconnected from myself (depersonalization/derealization symptoms). I ended up going to the ER because these symptoms were so alarming and they were scaring me. Once I got there, the ER doctor asked me how my diet was. I ate very healthy and nutritious meals but I let him know that I cut out all dairy from my diet. He told me that it wouldn’t cause the symptoms I was experiencing and told me I probably just have anxiety… so I left feeling pretty defeated. During that time my family member told my aunt about my ER visit. I guess my aunt had just went vegan 5 weeks before this and was experiencing the same symptoms that I was but worse! She told me she couldn’t feel her limbs (like me) but also that she felt like she was going blind, especially while driving! So she went to the doctor and she told her it sounded like a b12 deficiency and she bought a fully methylated b complex and within 3 days, she was fine. I decided to take the b complex that she was taking, and within 2-3 days, I was back to myself! It was crazy! So I just assumed that because I was lactose intolerant, I will always need to take a b12 supplement. I was on that supplement for 4.5 years and it worked great for me! Around October 2024 I got off of the b complex and just bought a methylated b12 supplement from Thorne. I didn’t know anything about methylated vitamins or the other b vitamins - I naively thought I just needed a b12 supplement. I still felt good but my energy levels began to decrease. I found it harder to find the motivation to go to the gym and was sleeping a lot more and waking up still feeling tired. I was also dealing with some personal stressors that were separated from this deficiency. Regardless, by July I began experiencing that out of body feeling again. This was accompanied by many other symptoms such as: - brain fog / derealization, depersonalization - Unable to regulate emotions (like normal) - Sensory issues / not feeling touch - Numb hands and numb feet specifically toes and fingers - Short term memory loss - Headache (moderate) - Dizziness - Blurred vision and not being able to gauge distance - Dropping things from hands / not feeling things in hands - Mental health / leading to anxiety and depressive thoughts - Extreme fatigue - Muscle aches - Trouble with balance and coordination - Shortness of breath, especially with exerting force - Seeing floaters and sparkles in air - Tmj on left side / scalloped tongue - Loss of appetite/ acid reflux - Sensitivity to light - Ringing in ears - Trouble regulating body temperature and feeling more cold My family member told me I needed to go to the doctor because they were watching me go in a downward spiral for months. They told me they saw me doing everything I needed to do like working, going to school, cleaning my house but it took every ounce of energy out of me just to do these daily tasks. So at the end of September I made an appointment with my PCP to make sure everything was fine. I was concerned that I had low iron so I brought that up when talking to my PCP about this. They checked my ferritin (which was 72), so I knew that was in range and optimal. All of my other labs looked good so I was pretty confused as to why I felt this way. Then in October 2025, the symptoms I had been experiencing had been getting so much worse! Going into grocery stores with fluorescent lights was making me dizzy, driving became very difficult because there was too much to process for my brain and walking up stairs winded me! All of the symptoms were causing me so much anxiety and I had terrible ruminating thoughts about my health. I felt so disconnected from my body and my loved ones; I would look at myself in the mirror, and not recognize myself. My vision felt like there was a foggy glass around it. I ended up getting sick with a virus at the end of October and the shortness of breath was getting bad so I rushed to the ER and the doctor told me I had gotten pneumonia. I left with 100mg of doxycycline to be taken twice a day for 5 days. Doxycycline destroyed my stomach! I couldn’t keep any food down, just for Kaiser to call me and tell me that they sent my x ray to a lab and it turned out, I didn’t have pneumonia after all! So in November, I thought maybe I do just have anxiety and need to get help for it. Talk therapy and grounding techniques weren’t working, so I decided to find a psychiatrist at Kaiser and she prescribed me sertraline. I had never taken antidepressants before but was willing to try anything to alleviate these symptoms. The sertraline made everything way worse for me! I knew there was an adjustment period so I tried to stick it out but I was basically bed ridden. I was on 25mg for 10 days and then bumped it up to 50mg per my psychiatrists guidance. I was on Reddit one night and came across a post where someone was talking about feeling disconnected from their body but they took a hydroxy b12 because 40% of the population can’t convert the synthetic version of b12. Then I went back in my order history and found the b complex that I had been taking and saw it was fully methylated and that it wasn’t just a b12 but a complex of all the b’s. December: As I had been keeping in close contact with my psychiatrist I told her about the 2020 experience. She immediately jolted forward and told me I need to order a b12, b9 and b6 test from Kaiser. She told me that she believed “There was break in one my enzymes.” So I asked my PCP to order those tests for me. 12/4/25: B12: 831 (range: 200-900) B9: 9.2 B6: 40 (range: 30-125) I was still on sertraline at this time for about 4 weeks, but now I was on 50mg and was getting panic attacks. My psychiatrist told me to begin tapering off of it and that we needed to address the underlying health conditions going on first. She said that yes, people can experience numbness because of anxiety but usually there is a temporary break from it. The fact that I had been numb mentally, emotionally and physically 24/7 since July, concerned her. I did more research and wanted to have a homocysteine and MMA test ordered for me. So I met with my PCP and and read her my long list of symptoms. I also made sure to tell her that I had GERD as a baby and now as an adult, I have very low stomach acid. She told me that all of my b tests were in range so she would not be ordering me any further testing. Furthermore, she told me that I should increase my dose of sertraline because majority of her patients find relief at 150-200mg. She also told me that my mind was just playing tricks on my body and that I was just anxious. I was enraged but decided to take matters into my own hands and got testing done at a private lab, Quest. 12/18/25: MMA: 200 Homocysteine: 8.4 Calcium: 9.3 Folate: 5.8 B12: 663 TSH w/ reflex to t4: 2.19 Iodine serum: 48 Vitamin D: 33 What I gathered from this is that my folate dropped a lot within 13 days as did my b12. My TSH jumped from 1.5 (end of September) to 2.19. Furthermore, my vitamin D was pretty low because the range is 30-100 and I was iodine deficient (range: 52-109). At this time I had developed a newer symptom: My tongue had these deep, inflamed scalloped edges all over it. It had a pale center but a red tip that burned! And it had a crack that was breaking apart down the center of my tongue and it made it painful to eat food. On top of that, I lost my menstrual cycle for 3 months, which has never happened to me before. Recovery: In the beginning of January I began supplementing with that b complex. The dose is 2 tablets but I know when starting a methylation cycle that’s been stalled, I need to go low and slow. On the first day of taking 1 tablet from the b complex I was so thirsty! I couldn’t stop drinking electrolytes and water! But because I also have been diagnosed with PMDD I wanted to make sure all of my needs were being met through supplements and eating nutritious, healthy foods. Currently I’m on a low inflammatory diet, focusing on whole foods and staying away from highly processed foods. I decided to stack my supplements with 4-5 days in between each, so I could monitor my symptoms: - Igennus super B complex (1/3/26) #1 tablet - Partiqlar Magnesium glycinate 240mg (1/7/26) - Thorne Zinc picolante 15mg (1/11/26) - NOW Women’s probiotic 20 billion (1/15/26) - Switched from Claritin to Allegra (1/18/26) - NOW Vitamin D3 Mk-7 (1/20/26) - Nordic Naturals Ultimate Omegas (1/27/26) I am also drinking Dr. Berg’s electrolyte powder / 1 a day with water. I had an IUD replaced at the end of February 2025, and I was informed that IUD’s steal b vitamins, magnesium and zinc within the first year - year and a half while it adjusts to the body. I have always struggled with allergies and that’s why I use an antihistamine. But all of December and January I was struggling with histamine intolerance! I would get flushed and itchy with brain fog after eating healthy foods or showering! I just added the second tablet of the b complex on 2/4/26. It’s been wonderful! Since I have added the second tablet, my histamine issues seem to be going away now and I am feeling more connected to my body. My memory issues have gotten so much better and my hands and feet are no longer numb but they are tingly throughout certain times during the day. I am looking to get a genesight test but Kaiser views them an unnecessary and getting a practitioner to order it for me has been difficult. So my question is, has anyone ordered a genesight test and what was your experience with that? And is there anything else that I should add or be doing to help my body recover from this? I know I’m iodine deficient but I don’t know much about it so any advice would be super helpful! submitted by /u/Talkingskies88 to r/B12_Deficiency [link] [comments]
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Almost 100% Healed. Final Straws to Break the Camels back.
Rough draft but I wanted to share right away. 10 years of research, 10,000+ Dollars and Hours of Research. Almost dying, Losing 50 lbs, Skin and bones, no Appetite, horrible toxic drugged brainfog, headache, hung over, ETC. Mold is my last step to clear. Gallbladder sludge flushes (i know it's not hard stones, just sludge) , Vitamin C flushes, this protocol and a PuraClenz mold killing PCO air purifier is the final steps. Version 1.5 Edit Hungry, Happy, Sleeping, Relaxed, Thankful.... Hope this helps. Typos expected. Wanted to share this before relaxing this afternoon This Article is the sum of everything that was most successful and simple as best as possible. ************Recommended supplements are at the bottom of post.******** Also Here is my older posts. I am almost 100% Just need to clear the mold, probably move, and start a new life with new priorities. https://www.reddit.com/r/SIBO/comments/w86xwo/citrobacter_sibo/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SIBO/comments/1b7bhlm/sibo_recovery_is_possible/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Candida/comments/191k6sf/three_years_of_fungal_nails_finally_curing/ 5 Pillar Protocol Nutrition * Digestion * Herbal Antimicrobials * Stress and Genetics Support * Probiotics and Prebiotic foods Critical step 1: Do you have mold. Does your house have any smell at all when you first go in the door. Musty mildew moldy earthy? That is critical to healing. Critical step 2: How long have you been sick? If you have been sick for years, biofilms can build complicating things. Critical Step 3: Are you under or overmethylated. Hives, Red skin, Itchiness, Lots of tears, saliva, and feeling understimulated is Undermethyalation. Methylated vitamins Like low dose methylated nutrients found in Seeking health Multivitamin One (low dose) are best for you. Quercetin, Turmeric, Ginger can be helpful for undermethylators. Be aware! They can give some with slow MAO gene too much seretonin, resulting in vivid colors, laughing too much, and dry eyes. See how you tolerate them, I do not. Overmethylators are the opposite, Not getting red when scratching the skin, Dry eyes or mouth, Insomnia, not able to calm down, even Vivid colors! Seeking Health Multivitamin MF (methyl Free) can help a lot. Niacinamide 500 Mg up to 2000 mg a day (2x500mg twice a day) can really help remove the anxiety, insomnia and relieve dry eyes. Glycine which is inside collagen and gelatin can help with overmethylation by Methionine. B complexes are not advised! Multivitamin One by Seeking health has all the extra A D E K and Minerals with the B vitamins IN THE PROPER DOSE! B Complex is like putting gas and oil in your car, but forgetting to put in transmission fluid and brake fluid. We need All the vitamins and mineral together In a good multivitamin, not a single high dose of these nutrients is needed. *** YOU MAY HAVE TO START ON DIGESTION, THEN HERBAL ANTIBIOTICS THEN AFTER INFECTION AND HISTAMINE IS LOWERED , THEN START NURITION. STRESS SUPPORT CAN BE STARTED RIGHT AWAY*** YOU CAN TAKE ACTIVATED CHARCOAL OR BENTONITE CLAY ONE HOUR AFTER HERBALS TO ABSORB TOXINS ***BEFORE*** THEY ENTER BLOOD STREAM Long term use can cause bile deficiency. You can add one supplement at a time and check response! You can take a day or two break and have just meat a potatoes for a day or so, or even soup, and get your baseline. If you feel better, Some supplements may be reacting and it's not just "die off". *************Nutrition. The body needs key nutrients to function. Without them, it cannot function correctly. For Example, Vitamin C deficiency can have bleeding gums, hemorrhoids (collagen needs vitamin c) and scurvy. Vitamin B1 deficiency can cause Panic and Anxiety attacks, insomnia, extreme stress, and others. *************Vitamins and Minerals Vitamin A, B1,2,3,5,6,9,12, Biotin Pantothenic acid, Vitamin C, D ,E K1 K2, Minerals Without magnesium, the body loses ability to make GABA and relax the mind, also causing muscle tension, spasms, twitching, pain, and cramps. Potassium is KEY as well. 2000Mg a day MINUMUM. Zinc, Copper, Iodine, Selenium, Magnesium, Manganese, Calcium, Potassium, Boron, Molybdenum, Chromium, Trace minerals as well. We need all of the amino acids from glycine to methione, and all the essential fatty acids like omega 3 in fish oil/salmon. *************Digestion The body needs the correct PH of stomach acid. If the PH is too high, Food does not digest correctly and vitamins/minerals like zinc, cannot be absorbed. HCL Acid as betain HCL Pepsin Enzymes for fat carb and protein digestion Bile acids Some enzymes are fungal produced and are not good for mold patients, It is best to use porcine/bovine enzymes as a trial. Now foods pancrease 2000 or Standard process zypan works good for me. Enzymedica seems to bad for me. If the gallbladder is sluggish and has sludge stones, the body cannot RID ITSELF OF FAT SOLUABLE TOXINS. Bile MUST be flowing, Especially for MOLD. Ox Bile / Tudca can help give the body bile to dissolve cholesterol stones blocking the LIVER AND Bile ducts. The LIVER makes BILE. It is only stored in the gallbladder and concentrated. People have had their gallbladder removed only to get a gallstone inside their liver, causing relapse of pain. The body needs Taurine, Glycine, and Choline to make bile acids. Deficiencies in these can affect someone greatly. Gallbladder flushes can help tremendously. The flushed I have done have changed my life. After overeating, eating food you don't tolerate or taking lots of antimicrobial or just general constipation, A Vitamin C flush can work miracles. I prefer Potent C Guard by Perque or for less cost, I use C Salts major brand in 3 flavors or Unflavored. 2 Teaspoon every 15 minutes in 4-6 ounces of water until you use the restroom. *************Herbal Antimicrobials/Infections Many patients have multiple infections. Mold, Lyme, Candida, Sibo, with many different strains and types of pathogens. I prefer and overcame with FC Cidal, Dysbiocide, and Silverbiotics patented Colloidal Silver. Now foods candida support, MCT oil, Monolaurin, and Biocidin can help. Biocidin can be bad for people with overmethylation and slow MAO due to the drying eyes and excess serotonin. See how you tolerate it. Nutridyn Nutricidin is very potent broad actions essential oil capsules. I started them before I did all these other areas of this 5 pillar protocol. I feel I do not need it anymore. It hit the infection hard, maybe to hard at the beginning. Everything needs to be working good in the body , to truly heal and detox. That is why this protocol was created. Activated charcoal can help soak up bacterial LPS (toxins) and some mold. Bentonite clay seems to be much better at absorbing mycotoxins from mold and helped me must better than activated charcoal after using it for 6 months. **********Stress and Genetics support. The body goes into flight or fight after long term infections, nutrient depletion, and the emotional stress building from being sick so long. Obsessions, insomnia, wired but tired, Not able to relax mentally, and being exhaused are all criticld RED FLAG warning signs. To heal the body MUST be able to into the rest and digest parasympathetic system. The fight or flight adrenal respons causes the immune, digestion, hormonal and repoductive systems to turn off. The body is in survival mode, It does not care about these sytems when chased by a lion. Any physical or emotional stress can cause this response and can be hard to get out of the cycle. Obsessions and watching video after video, post after post, website after website does provide information but is detrimental to healing. We need foundation, rest, relaxation and hope. There is hope , His name is Jesus. After almost dying, many times in 10 years, and more before that, Know you are loved and you WILL get through this. ************Stress support nutrients. ******Extreme stress: Seeking health Adrenal cortex. For extreme fatigue, mood, and sleep problems. When nothing works. Do a trial of 3 days, first thing in the morning with a few bites of food, 1 cap adrenal cortex. After a day or two, Check how you feel. Are you better. Stop taking it then. Pulse method by Dr Ben Lynch. ********CRITICAL nutrients. B1 Benfotiamine, Adrenal Cortex, Electrolytes Magnesium/Potassium, Collagen if tolerated only. **********Overmethylation nutrients Niacinamide, Collagen READ RECOMMENDED READING! Lower protein FOR OVERMETHYLATION. Less red meat and cheese, Wild caught fish, Organic chicken, quality pork all have less methylation than beef. (undermethylators opposite is true, beef/cheese can help if tolerated, Goat/sheep cheese over cow cheese for both groups can be better tolerated. Undermethylators do better on less leafy greens and more protein. More carbs to keep stable blood sugar, Potatoes great source of potassium and stable blood sugar. COOKED VEGGIES ONLY for leaky gut and severe digestion problems. Add in others as tolerated. **********************************Probiotics/prebiotic foods If the garden is full of weeds, sometimes you have to mow it all down and start fresh. I tried probiotics 2 years and only got worse. 1 Year of Megasporbiotic proved noneffective against candida for my Mother on her GI Map Stool test. We both had to stop taking them and start working on nutrtion, digestion, and herbal antibiotics to be able to tolerate foods again and not have bloating. Some may benefit most from taking Probiotics/Kefir/Yogurt (including coconut non dairy) as well as Bifido Only blend probiotics at night, and the herbal antibiotics during the day. Probiotics help even if they are dead as proven by this study. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6566317/ Probiotics can be opened and swished around the mouth, applied to the private areas, and even diluted with water and placed in nostrils. When we are born, the microbiome goes all over us as well. GI MAP stool test can help show you want you need. If low in bifido species but high in lactobacillus , Consider Seeking health Bifido only probiotic called “ Probiota Bifidobacterium When on Seekinghealth.com Look for “how it works” tab to get more understanding about any item you're looking at. **************************************************************** **************************************************************** List of Recommended Supplements. **************************************************************** **************************************************************** ****************Nutrition Seeking Health Multivtamin One MF for overmethylators dry eyes, regular for undermethylated. Nordic Natural Ultimate Omega, or Jigsaw Health Cod liver Oil. (has natural vitamin A/D) Vitamin A is needed for copper regulation through ceruloplasmin. I get it throug h foods or Cod liver oil. Karuna Zinc Plus Copper Extra Zinc/Copper might be needed. Thorne Copper Bisglycinate 2-6 MG as needed for sense of touch/energy/greying hair. Must be paired with Vitamin A, Natural is most preferred. Grass fed butter, Ghee, Liver, Cod liver oil best. B1 Benfotiamine Micronutrient brand 200 mg per cap in coconut oil. B3 Niacinamide by Thorne ( ONLY for overmehylation dry eyes insomnia. Not for high histamine) Vitamin C IS CRITICAL. C salts brand drink, Ester C, Perque Potent C Gaurd(worst flavor but potent) or liposomal vitamin c. Whole food Vitamin C is best. But for flush, you need C Salts or Potent C Gaurd (buffered vitamin C not from Corn) Get Vitamin C every Day for Adrenals, immune, and stress response. Vitamin D + K2 is critical, Get sunshine even if it's just 5 minutes. If you take the cod liver oil you get some vitamin D, and if you take the Multivitamin One , you get Vitamin K2 in that. Seeking health Has a vitamin D + K2 as well. Collagen Vital Proteins, or Orgain(worst taste, less cost) Glycine is CRITICAL for collagen production, Gaba production, liver bile acids. People don't get enough due to the boneless skinless crazy. Bone broth and healthy jello like “Simply mixes” no artifical junk, can help supplement it without getting bored of collagen. High histamine people may needs to work on eliminating histamine producting bacteria, and vitamins before able to tolerate these things. Dr Berg electrolytes, Critical for sleep, muscles, stress. Add in extra magnesum if needed and salt your food to taste to keep sodium and potassium in balance. Mag Sooth Jigsaw Health, If you need extra calming magnesium glycinate. ************************************************** ****************Digestion Now Foods Pancreas 2000 ( non fungal , porcine based) Standard process Zypan ( can be helpful for enzymes and Betaine HCL) ( Excess betaine may cause overmethylation) If no mold, Digestzymes or Enzymedica Digest spectrum or Digest Gold, Digest basic is least potent (if tolerated) Seeking health ox bile Nutricost Tudca 250 MG I take bile on empty stomach first thing in morning with water most days. or hour or so after meals. Before meals can give heartburn due to bile alkalizing effects https://www.ambersnaturalnutrition.com/how-poor-bile-production-and-flow-can-cause-sibo/ ************************************************************ ****************Herbal Antibiotics Fc Cidal Dybsiocide Silverbiotics Colloidal silver Others include Now food candida support, MCT oil, Nutricidin By Nutridyn. Colostrum or SBI Protect or similar for IGG support. *See if you tolarate it by itself* YOU CAN TAKE ACTIVATED CHARCOAL OR BENTONITE CLAY ONE HOUR AFTER HERBALS TO ABSORB TOXINS ***BEFORE*** THEY ENTER BLOOD STREAM ************************************* ****************Gentics and stress support Recommended supplements Extreme stress: Seeking health Adrenal cortex. For extreme fatigue, mood, and sleep problems. When nothing works. Do a trial of 3 days, first thing in the morning with a few bites of food, 1 cap adrenal cortex. After a day or two, Check how you feel. Are you better. Stop taking it then. Pulse method by Dr Ben Lynch. CRITICAL nutrients. B1 Benfotiamine Micronutrients brand, Dr Berg Electrolytes Magnesium/Potassium or coconut water Collagen if tolerated only. Overmethylation nutrients Thorn Niacinamide, Vital Proteins Collagen ************************************************************************* ************************************************************************* ****************Diet. Meat only can be nice for extreme flares but only for a day or two. Gi Lining should repair in two days with the right nutrients and detoxing. Meat and potatoes can be a staple, throw in some cooked veggies , maybe some baby raw carrots and a handfull of grapes for snacks/desert. Potatoes have good fiber,potassium, vitamin c, b6, more more than rice or other grains. See if you tolerate them. Diet cannot starve bacteria/yeast. They go into hibernation. *Candid make Tendrils when starved and bury into gut lining!!! Carnivore can make Candida worse! https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5872313/ More important is not binging on sugar, and even more than that, is killed the bacterial/yeast infections that influence your brain chemistry to crave sugars and junk foods. Remove infections with herbal antibiotics while eating a whole food, meat veggie and some fruit diet best you can. Do not think that having an orange will “feed candida”. This thinking feeds the horrible fight or flight stress response and keeps people sick. Remove the infections, not yourself. Thousand of people walk by every day who can tolerate these foods perfectly fine without having severe symptoms. That is why this protocol was created. It is to help the suffering people. SMALL MEALS MORE OFTEN CAN HELP THE ADRENAL GLANDS WITH STABLE BLOOD SUGAR. I DID NOT HEAL UNTIL I STOPPED FASTING SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IF YOU EAT A HUGE MEAL ONCE A DAY THAT WILL HURT YOU. You need stable constant supply of blood sugar OR THE ADRENAL TURN ON , ADRENALINE AND CORTISOL DUMP then you spend hours on reddit reading , MAKING THE FIGHT OR FLIGHT REPSONSE WORSE. Without the multivitamin, the body cannot utilize stored fat or turn food into energy. All of these system need to be address at same time or one after the other in a timely fashion. Try to eat every 2 hours. THE SIBO doctors are wrong about eating only a few meals with no snacks or else we all would be well now if we listened them. We must be gentle and supportive of our body, NOT STARVE OUR SELF TRYING TO HELP THE BOWELS MOTILITY or starve infections!. Infection, inflammation, chronic stress and unstable bloodsugar and FIGHT OR FLIGHT, STOP THE MMC. Eating food and keeping stable blood sugar, getting your nutrients, and KILLING THE TOXIN PRODUCING INFLAMMATORY INFECTION is the real root cause. I Have done years of carnivore , low carb, intermittent fasting only to find all of this out and start healing. Small meals more often is best for digestion, and blood sugar stability! ONLY USE 80% OF YOUR ENERGY A DAY, Leave 20% for healing. You will burn out if you just keep pushing! People must provide the body with the building blocks of the cells. Our cells are constantly dying and being replaced. Put in the proper nutrients provides strong cells. Omega 3 is critical for cell walls to keep out toxins, so is choline , found in eggs , and a little in broccoli. There are many supplements as well. Recommended reading. Morely Robbins on Copper. Dr Albert Mensah on overmethylation Dr Ben Lynch on broad body systems and genetics. Bile,insomnia, you name it. His book is called Dirty Genes. Dr Christ Master John on Methylation Glycine Niacinamide Links, Articles, Websites: Recommended reading. METHYLATION https://butternutrition.com/signs-of-overmethylation/ https://www.jillcarnahan.com/2018/06/25/is-overmethylation-the-cause-of-your-anxiety/ https://digitalnaturopath.com/conditions/histapenia-histamine-low/ https://digitalnaturopath.com/conditions/histadelia-histamine-high/ https://www.drbenlynch.com/methylfolate-side-effects/ ************************************************ ************************************************ **************** Recommended Dr. NO DOCTOR KNOWS ALL OF THIS. Only God who made the body knows. How else could I have learned all of this and it all make sense... No possible way except divine discernment. Dr Rostenberg at www.redmountainclinic.com can order the MOST critical tests. GI Map and OAT. This protocol is what I use to go along with his recommendations. He is BeyondMHTFR on youtube. I saw Dr Leah Anderson for three years and was trained under her by divine coincidence. Dad missed the appointment, so I took his place. She taught me many of the foundations. She didnt offer the GI map which was critical for my healing. Dr Rostenberg I have seen over a year. Dr Justin Marchegani (aka Justin Health youtube) He taught me more into digestion and stopping thing and starting slow and helped me with forming this protocol of of his time with me. Ask God for help, let go of the bitterness of what the mainstream medicine is doing. Know the body needs nutrients , relaxation, and support and you will heal. It's like a car. You can put in oil, washer fluid, air up your tires, transmission fluid, and even fill up the gas tank. Then you can crash right into a tree. Why? You missed brake fluid. Yes I know it is complicated and frustrating. This is why I tried to make it as simple and easy as possible to help overall with every patient. God saved my life with this. I expect to heal even more the coming months. MOLD HELP: For Mold, Get a PURACLENZ PCO air purifier. Massive reduction/ elimination of mold toxins and growth in my apartment after smelling musty for 13 years. I didn't think too much of it and din't realize how toxic it was or how it would prevent my complete healing. House smells good first time in 13 years. NEVER LET HUMIDITY GET ABOVE 60% Get a Good Dehumidifer and use it. Germ guardian Hepa filter. Also can get Toxin filters with activated charcoal for it. Vitamin C flushes. Gallbladder flushes. BILE is the only way for liver to detoxify fat soluable toxins. It is Phase 3 liver detox. Sibo /dybiosis/bacterial imbalance also change the bile acids as they pass through. There are good and bad bile acids. This guide is version 1.4. Many more revisions will be added for clarity and accuracy. submitted by /u/FrostyBud777 to r/SIBO [link] [comments]
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